[pescetom]

As promised in the other thread, here is the hand that caused discussion here last week.

MP

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Your bid as East with preferred partnership methods?

[mike777]

 pescetom, on 2026-February-23, 16:17, said:

As promised in the other thread, here is the hand that caused discussion here last week.

MP

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Your bid as East with preferred partnership methods?

If I am going to treat this as a balanced 17 then I can open it one club


If a balanced 16 then 1NT, except that may not be a legal bid in ACBL

If a reverse into hearts then, 1D

Heck I could even open it one club and reverse into hearts....

[DavidKok]

Currently I play a relatively simple version of Full Dutch Doubleton, so I'll stick with that. I've previously played more complicated versions that can address this hand type in full, but in my current system this hand still slips between the cracks and causes problems.
I will open 1♣. In Dutch Doubleton a 1♠ answer shows a positive hand with spades, and I can somewhat comfortably make a game forcing reverse after. With weaker 1=4=4=4 hands I would open 1♦ and rebid 2♣ over 1♠ instead - not ideal.
If partner responds 1♦ to my 1♣ opening I can show this hand reasonably well after by presenting it as a clubs-hearts reverse (1♣-1♦; 1♥-1♠; 2♥). This shows the strength of the hand and my only major suit, while giving partner maximum room in our bidding system.
More likely is that the opponents will interfere and I get to make a takeout double of spades.

There's a good case for treating this hand as balanced, but I'm not a fan of that with a singleton in a major suit.

[mw64ahw]

As previously with my esoteric unbalanced ♦
1♦-1♥ either/ both Majors weak
2♥ various (denies 3♠) - 2♠/2N GI/GF asking for shape
2N s4(53), s444
3♣ xx55 GI
3♦ x46x GI
3♥ xs55 GF
3♠ sx55 GF

Or

1♦-1♠ GI
2♣ (4441)-responder shows strength, followed by opener showing the shortage.

Again
2♣-2♦
3♥ is a possibility with 6 controls

[mikeh]

Close decision. I can open an unbalanced 1D or treat it as balanced 17-19, as I did in David’s earlier thread.

This hand is different from that (Q AKJx K98x KQJx) in two small but, to me, important aspects. The spade J rates to be less valuable, in spades, than does the Queen. And the point count is on the low end of the range. Yes, I have some often useful 10s but this hand will not usually be what partner s playing me for if I start 1C and, if he bids 1 H, showing spades, I bid my 17-19 1N.

The David hand was close to a gf if partner can scrape up a response…we stretch to respond to 1C so it’s not gf. It was, however, too strong to fit neatly into our 1D structure, that is based on 1D always being unbalanced…. 5422 is the most balanced it can be. With his hand, I’d be worried after 1D 1S 1N, showing clubs and not promising any extras. Sort of like 1D 1S 2C for standard bidders. He will pass 1N with many hands on which 3 N has play. 5=3=2=3 for example. Or 4=3=2=4. Both around 7-9 hcp. 1N implies fewer than 3 spades. 1N will often be the best spot.

I’m not so worried with this weaker hand so I’ll open 1D. What I do next depends on how auction proceeds

[mike777]

mike777, on 2026-February-23, 16:24, said:

If I am going to treat this as a balanced 17 then I can open it one club


If a balanced 16 then 1NT, except that may not be a legal bid in ACBL

If a reverse into hearts then, 1D

Heck I could even open it one club and reverse into hearts....

I guess I will try 1D, I think I used up all of my wait time at the table on this one, smile.