[wbartley]

https://tinyurl.brid...se.com/drmub3f5

Not much more to say about it.

[pescetom]

I wouldn't even expect GiB to know what to do here, let alone Ben that was only trained on how people bid with GiB plus a few basic rules.
But yes, correcting to 6♠ does seem the minimum.

It's an interesting question whether the cue is a good bid at MP.

[johnu]

Great bidding by GIB. How else do you get to play a 0-0 fit?

[P_Marlowe]

pescetom, on 2026-May-05, 12:10, said:

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It's an interesting question whether the cue is a good bid at MP.

I dont like the bid, ..., even playing with a human, although it is not as bad as I originally though,
but it is req. an intelligent p, a way better bid is 7H, if you are shooting for the grand.

As it is, it implies, that it is obvious what a 6C bid would be, a cue showing first round control, not
to play, I guess this makes sense, but who knowes, and I would not claim, that the meaning of 6C is obv.

And if the meaning of 6C is not obv., than bypassing 6C is not either, hence, ..., either go low, bid 6S,
or shoot, and you may try 7H, having the safety blanket of getting corrected to 7S.

Playing with a bot or average player, you risk confusion and sometimes stupid thinks happen, when peoble
are confused.

[pescetom]

P_Marlowe, on 2026-May-06, 00:33, said:

I dont like the bid, ..., even playing with a human, although it is not as bad as I originally though,
but it is req. an intelligent p, a way better bid is 7H, if you are shooting for the grand.

As it is, it implies, that it is obvious what a 6C bid would be, a cue showing first round control, not
to play, I guess this makes sense, but who knowes, and I would not claim, that the meaning of 6C is obv.

And if the meaning of 6C is not obv., than bypassing 6C is not either, hence, ..., either go low, bid 6S,
or shoot, and you may try 7H, having the safety blanket of getting corrected to 7S.

Playing with a bot or average player, you risk confusion and sometimes stupid thinks happen, when peoble
are confused.

If you are shooting for grand (and I would at IMPs) then maybe just blasting 7S is best. That puts the stronger opponent on lead and makes it less likely that the lead is clubs, which it seems unreasonable to expect partner to control first round. If you bid 7H then they might find clubs even not looking at the Ace.

[wbartley]

P_Marlowe, on 2026-May-06, 00:33, said:

I dont like the bid, ..., even playing with a human, although it is not as bad as I originally though,
but it is req. an intelligent p, a way better bid is 7H, if you are shooting for the grand.

As it is, it implies, that it is obvious what a 6C bid would be, a cue showing first round control, not
to play, I guess this makes sense, but who knowes, and I would not claim, that the meaning of 6C is obv.

And if the meaning of 6C is not obv., than bypassing 6C is not either, hence, ..., either go low, bid 6S,
or shoot, and you may try 7H, having the safety blanket of getting corrected to 7S.

Playing with a bot or average player, you risk confusion and sometimes stupid thinks happen, when peoble
are confused.

6C would be natural, not a cue bid in support of spades. 6D is the only way to try for seven. 6H will be passed and 7H is poker. In any case, this situation exposes the utter absurdity of calling neural net applications intelligent. Even the weakest intermediate level bridge player would know not to pass 6D after both opponents bid the suit naturally, one of them preemptively.

[wbartley]

pescetom, on 2026-May-05, 12:10, said:

I wouldn't even expect GiB to know what to do here, let alone Ben that was only trained on how people bid with GiB plus a few basic rules.
But yes, correcting to 6♠ does seem the minimum.

It's an interesting question whether the cue is a good bid at MP.

Here are my arguments in favor of 6D regardless of scoring type.

1. It unequivocally implies spade support and suggests first round control of diamonds.
2. Since partner needs as little as AKxxxx in spades and the ace of clubs (hardly a stretch given the direct 3S overcall) it seems prudent to try for a grand.
3. I expect partner to have at least two diamonds, not a void, so i want him to be able to properly evaluate his outside controls and downgrade the ace of diamonds.
4. All my other options have fatal flaws. 6C is natural here. Even 6H might be down if there's a spade ruff to be had and any spade losers we have will be losers in a heart contact. 6S is too timid and bidding the grand blind is just gambling.

[pescetom]

wbartley, on 2026-May-06, 11:06, said:

6C would be natural, not a cue bid in support of spades. 6D is the only way to try for seven. 6H will be passed and 7H is poker. In any case, this situation exposes the utter absurdity of calling neural net applications intelligent. Even the weakest intermediate level bridge player would know not to pass 6D after both opponents bid the suit naturally, one of them preemptively.

Fully agreed.

wbartley, on 2026-May-06, 12:01, said:

Here are my arguments in favor of 6D regardless of scoring type.

1. It unequivocally implies spade support and suggests first round control of diamonds.
2. Since partner needs as little as AKxxxx in spades and the ace of clubs (hardly a stretch given the direct 3S overcall) it seems prudent to try for a grand.
3. I expect partner to have at least two diamonds, not a void, so i want him to be able to properly evaluate his outside controls and downgrade the ace of diamonds.
4. All my other options have fatal flaws. 6C is natural here. Even 6H might be down if there's a spade ruff to be had and any spade losers we have will be losers in a heart contact. 6S is too timid and bidding the grand blind is just gambling.

I agree with arguments 1 and 3 but not 2 and 4.
Partner holding the Ace of Clubs is a stretch.
FWIW I don't think 6S is "too timid" at MP and (with less rational conviction, admittedly) I don't think 7S is "unreasonable" gambling at IMPs.

IIUC your reasoning, you seem to be bidding 6D to give partner a chance to stop in 6S if he holds diamonds A.
I think the chances of him being on the same page and holding that card are infinitely smaller than the chances of him bidding 6S with the actual hand.

[P_Marlowe]

wbartley, on 2026-May-06, 11:06, said:

6C would be natural, not a cue bid in support of spades. 6D is the only way to try for seven.

I am fully onboard, but that leaves the question, how is p supposed to know, that the Ace of clubs
is needed instead of the Ace of diamonds?
In both cases he has 2 Aces, add the King of spades, is he supposed to go on with the Ace of clubs,
but sign of in the small with the Ace of diamonds? How should he know?

My point is, the cue is asking a q, that p cannot sensible answer, and due to this is pontless.
I am not against trying the grand, or staying low, but I am heavily against blaming p, when I was the
one putting him in a senseless situation.

If you blast you have the added security, that they may misguess the opening lead.
Go high, go low, I am sympathetic with your choice, even it it was wrong, go scientific, I am fine,
if it turned out ok.