[jillybean]

Here's a hand I was kibitzing

Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP

♠ AKT2 ♥ T2 ♦ K5 ♣ AKQ83

West North East South

 -     -     Pass  1♣
 Pass  1♠    Pass  2NT
 

I'm usualy afraid partner will pass so I leap to game with this type of hand and risk missing a better contract. I assume 3nt would be corrected to 4♠?

[pbleighton]

I don't understand the auction. Are you North or South?

Peter

[BebopKid]

That is interesting.

I have one partner who always bids over 1C no matter what because we play clubs as short as 2. He says we agree that I can pass it and he won't pass it.

He might pass me there.

Otherwise, great bid.

[BebopKid]

pbleighton, on Sep 6 2007, 01:06 PM, said:

I don't understand the auction. Are you North or South?

Peter

That is the south hand.

[Echognome]

I kibbed this hand. The 2NT bid certainly didn't get the approval of most of the kibitzers.

[han]

I hate this bid, I think that it is a serious mistake.

[bid_em_up]

Hannie, on Sep 6 2007, 01:21 PM, said:

I hate this bid, I think that it is a serious mistake.

And I think know you are mistaken. Let me guess, you believe 2N is passable also, don't you?

[vuroth]

I'm not sure I get it.

1♣ - 1X - 2NT is 18-19 balanced in SAYC. It's a game invite, no more.

1♣ - 1♠ - 4♠ - what is this? Well, it doesn't make sense to be preemptive, since opponents are silent. So doesn't it have to be 19+, with 4+♠ in hand?

The second option seems more descriptive to me. If partner thinks you're making a shutout bid, then maybe that's something worth discussing, but I can't see how it could be one.

If nothing else, the basic rule is "support with support", isn't it?

[skjaeran]

bid_em_up, on Sep 6 2007, 08:29 PM, said:

Hannie, on Sep 6 2007, 01:21 PM, said:

I hate this bid, I think that it is a serious mistake.

And I think you are mistaken.

Well, if the 2NT rebid is agreed to show a normal 18-19NT, I must say I strongly agree with Han. If it systemically shows support that's quite another kettle of fish.

[bid_em_up]

skaeran, on Sep 6 2007, 01:32 PM, said:

bid_em_up, on Sep 6 2007, 08:29 PM, said:

Hannie, on Sep 6 2007, 01:21 PM, said:

I hate this bid, I think that it is a serious mistake.

And I think you are mistaken.

Well, if the 2NT rebid is agreed to show a normal 18-19NT, I must say I strongly agree with Han. If it systemically shows support that's quite another kettle of fish.

Again, without knowing the partnership and/or its agreements, it is a seriously flaw to offer an opinion on this.

Since I happen to be responder, I know for a fact that we cannot pass 2N after a response to 1C, which makes 2N just fine. It is not going all pass.

That said, I acknowledge this is a non-standard treatment.

[kenrexford]

I would like the bid also. Very great call. It allows me to lead my hearts and set 2NT when 4♠ makes five.

[Echognome]

bid_em_up, on Sep 6 2007, 10:34 AM, said:

Again, without knowing the partnership and/or its agreements, it is a seriously flaw to offer an opinion on this.

Since I happen to be responder, I know for a fact that we cannot pass 2N after a response to 1C, which makes 2N just fine. It is not going all pass.

That said, I acknowledge this is a non-standard treatment.

Perhaps it should have been alerted then.

As I know for a fact that it wasn't.

[pbleighton]

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Again, without knowing the partnership and/or its agreements, it is a seriously flaw to offer an opinion on this.

Since I happen to be responder, I know for a fact that we cannot pass 2N after a response to 1C, which makes 2N just fine. It is not going all pass.

If a call has other than a standard meaning the OP should say so. Otherwise, the practice in the Forums is to assume standard bidding.

What do the three bids in this auction mean?

Peter

[jillybean]

There's some risk partner will pass 2nt but with opps silent isnt that very unlikely?
1m:1M 4M takes up a lot of room!

[jtfanclub]

kenrexford, on Sep 6 2007, 01:36 PM, said:

I would like the bid also. Very great call. It allows me to lead my hearts and set 2NT when 4♠ makes five.

I think it's much more fun when they end up in 6NT-1 instead of 6♠=. Is there some reason North isn't allowed to simply bid 6NT with a 1NT opener type of hand?

[kenrexford]

jillybean2, on Sep 6 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

There's some risk partner will pass 2nt but with opps silent isnt that very unlikely?
1m:1M 4M takes up a lot of room!

I'd rather bid a misleading 4♣ (which is close to correct) than a passable and misleading 2NT.

What space are you gaining, though? Space necessary to work out that you really do have a fit?

[sceptic]

I am wondering why 1m 1M 4M is not used showing 19 hcp unless 2NT has a special meaning with a fit and no stopper in one suit

[sceptic]

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Again, without knowing the partnership and/or its agreements, it is a seriously flaw to offer an opinion on this

that has never stopped anyone in the past

[bid_em_up]

pbleighton, on Sep 6 2007, 01:43 PM, said:

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Again, without knowing the partnership and/or its agreements, it is a seriously flaw to offer an opinion on this.

Since I happen to be responder, I know for a fact that we cannot pass 2N after a response to 1C, which makes 2N just fine. It is not going all pass.

If a call has other than a standard meaning the OP should say so. Otherwise, the practice in the Forums is to assume standard bidding.

What do the three bids in this auction mean?

Peter

The OP isn't/wasn't aware of our partnership agreements.

1♣=2+
1♠=6+, 4+♠
2N=balanced 18-19

Anything other than what you would reasonably expect?

[bid_em_up]

jtfanclub, on Sep 6 2007, 01:46 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 6 2007, 01:36 PM, said:

I would like the bid also.  Very great call.  It allows me to lead my hearts and set 2NT when 4♠ makes five.

I think it's much more fun when they end up in 6NT-1 instead of 6♠=. Is there some reason North isn't allowed to simply bid 6NT with a 1NT opener type of hand?

Not going to happen.