[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

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West North East South

 -     -     2♠    3♣
 3♥    Dbl   Pass  Pass
 3♠    Pass  Pass  4♠
 Pass  5♣    Pass  5♥
 Pass  5♠    Pass  6♥
 Pass  Pass  Pass  

EW have been rotated

Please explain the auction ?

[awm]

2♠ = weak two bid
3♣ = natural, prefer this over X with 6♣, spade void, little defense
3♥ = psych, try to prevent N/S from finding hearts
X = penalty of hearts, very nice bid by Ben BTW
3♠ = perhaps an underbid, trying to keep from pushing N/S to slam?
4♠ = strong hand (4♥ here presumably is natural but not very forward-going)
5♣ = showing the club fit, not clear yet where we are going
5♥ = natural, slam try in heart
5♠ = cuebid, cooperating
6♥ = to play

[jdonn]

3♣ instead of X is absolutely unthinkable IMO with AKQx of hearts and perfectly adequate support for diamonds. But overall it was a good auction.

[han]

Agree, 3C seems really wrong. I like the rest of the auction.

[jillybean]

Jlall, on Oct 8 2007, 01:14 AM, said:

This shows why bids like 3H are not good bids.

Please elaborate, I doubt I would have found the ♥slam after 3♥.
I was thinking 5♥ was a cue in support of ♣;s.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Oct 8 2007, 12:14 AM, said:

This shows why bids like 3H are not good bids.

I wouldn't condemn 3♥ that harshly but it isn't my style either.

If NS only had a 4-4 fit, 3♥ would have worked very well. And if North had six hearts (and South two or three), I doubt the heart fit would be found either.

[pclayton]

Jlall, on Oct 8 2007, 10:30 AM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 8 2007, 12:07 PM, said:

If NS only had a 4-4 fit, 3♥ would have worked very well. And if North had six hearts (and South two or three), I doubt the heart fit would be found either.

They are much more likely to find a 4-4 heart fit after 3H than after 4S.

Its difficult over either. Responder would have a responsive double available over 4♠.

As you said earlier - the responder has an auto double of 4♠ and opener has an auto pull.

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Oct 8 2007, 11:07 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 8 2007, 12:14 AM, said:

This shows why bids like 3H are not good bids.

I wouldn't condemn 3♥ that harshly but it isn't my style either.

If NS only had a 4-4 fit, 3♥ would have worked very well. And if North had six hearts (and South two or three), I doubt the heart fit would be found either.

If North has 6 hearts, then he just bids 4♥ over 3♥, which is of course natural. What hand could he have that can bid 5♥ over 4♠ but not 4♥ over 3♥? I disagree about the 4-4 fit, too. If you bid 4♠ they will often pass out 4SX with a double fit.

I really don't see anything that 3♥ can do against decent opponents that 4♠ cant' do, I don't think this is even close.

[han]

Do you think anybody will listen to what you think after this individual Arend?

[jillybean]

Ok I'll ask the silly question..why is 5♥ natural and not a cue on your way to 7♣?

[Mbodell]

jillybean2, on Oct 8 2007, 06:49 PM, said:

Ok I'll ask the silly question..why is 5♥ natural and not a cue on your way to 7♣?

No one's agreed to clubs so I think it would be odd to lock onto clubs. The double then pass of the 3♥ exposed the psych and the 4♠ seems like a cue, void/control, strong hand with an undetermined strain (but leaning to hearts) to me. 5♥ could very well be a cue on the way to something. But even if the 5♥ is a cues North knows South has a void in spades, the A of hearts, and so the 5♠ bid is fine. Once South bids 6♥ it has to be to play since it skips to many levels and South didn't bid 5♦ so this bid can't be cue for ♣.

[jillybean]

Mbodell, on Oct 8 2007, 06:08 PM, said:

The double then pass of the 3♥ exposed the psych

Bingo, the light has come on

thanks!

[pclayton]

cherdano, on Oct 8 2007, 12:20 PM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 8 2007, 11:07 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 8 2007, 12:14 AM, said:

This shows why bids like 3H are not good bids.

I wouldn't condemn 3♥ that harshly but it isn't my style either.

If NS only had a 4-4 fit, 3♥ would have worked very well. And if North had six hearts (and South two or three), I doubt the heart fit would be found either.

If North has 6 hearts, then he just bids 4♥ over 3♥, which is of course natural. What hand could he have that can bid 5♥ over 4♠ but not 4♥ over 3♥? I disagree about the 4-4 fit, too. If you bid 4♠ they will often pass out 4SX with a double fit.

I really don't see anything that 3♥ can do against decent opponents that 4♠ cant' do, I don't think this is even close.

I'm looking at 2 outside aces and QT-6th of hearts (for example). Is it really so obvious to bid 4♥? Is it so obvious that it exposes a psyche?

I'm dealt: ♠xx ♥Axx ♦AQxx ♣Axxx. I hear (2♠) - 3♣ - (3♥). If anyone tells me that I have to bid 3♠, instead of 4♥ with this collection, I might believe them. If anyone tells me that 4♥ doesn't cross their mind, but they can't make the call because it 'obviously' exposes the psyche, I don't believe them.

[cherdano]

jillybean2, on Oct 8 2007, 05:49 PM, said:

Ok I'll ask the silly question..why is 5♥ natural and not a cue on your way to 7♣?

You can just think of the auction (2S) 3C (3H) X as roughly the same as (2) 3C (P) 3H (except that the first one is a bit more flexible).

In fact, with Adam's hand i would have jumped to 4S over (3H) X (P), showing a splinter for hearts.

[jdonn]

pclayton, on Oct 9 2007, 12:30 AM, said:

I'm looking at 2 outside aces and QT-6th of hearts (for example). Is it really so obvious to bid 4♥?

Yes

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Is it so obvious that it exposes a psyche?

Yes

[cherdano]

pclayton, on Oct 8 2007, 11:30 PM, said:

cherdano, on Oct 8 2007, 12:20 PM, said:

pclayton, on Oct 8 2007, 11:07 AM, said:

Jlall, on Oct 8 2007, 12:14 AM, said:

This shows why bids like 3H are not good bids.

I wouldn't condemn 3♥ that harshly but it isn't my style either.

If NS only had a 4-4 fit, 3♥ would have worked very well. And if North had six hearts (and South two or three), I doubt the heart fit would be found either.

If North has 6 hearts, then he just bids 4♥ over 3♥, which is of course natural. What hand could he have that can bid 5♥ over 4♠ but not 4♥ over 3♥? I disagree about the 4-4 fit, too. If you bid 4♠ they will often pass out 4SX with a double fit.

I really don't see anything that 3♥ can do against decent opponents that 4♠ cant' do, I don't think this is even close.

I'm looking at 2 outside aces and QT-6th of hearts (for example). Is it really so obvious to bid 4♥? Is it so obvious that it exposes a psyche?

I'm dealt: ♠xx ♥Axx ♦AQxx ♣Axxx. I hear (2♠) - 3♣ - (3♥). If anyone tells me that I have to bid 3♠, instead of 4♥ with this collection, I might believe them. If anyone tells me that 4♥ doesn't cross their mind, but they can't make the call because it 'obviously' exposes the psyche, I don't believe them.

Phil, if you have had this auction once or twice and discussed it, then it is 100% clear that bidding preemptor's suit is a cue and bidding responder's suit is natural. 4♥ with that hand wouldn't cross my mind, sorry.