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#1 User is offline   gnasher 

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Posted 2008-August-21, 15:40

Scoring: IMP

W    N    E
1   2   2


What would you do?
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Posted 2008-August-21, 15:45

I start with 3. I think next round is more interesting.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 15:52

Echognome, on Aug 21 2008, 01:45 PM, said:

I start with 3. I think next round is more interesting.

Well, 3 will likely preempt us off a cold 3N opposite xxx xx AKxxxx Kx but I don't see anything else better.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:04

Of course 3N could be right but it seems against the odds. (To start with, it will be wrong almost always when partner has 5 diamonds only.) I also bid 3H.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:05

Agree with 3H
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Posted 2008-August-21, 16:43

Fortunately, I play that a double here is a "stolen cue" double. That makes this a lot easier.

I'll post my problem hand later, when it comes up.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 17:09

kenrexford, on Aug 21 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

Fortunately, I play that a double here is a "stolen cue" double. That makes this a lot easier.

I'll post my problem hand later, when it comes up.

I'll do it for you:

AKJx xxx x AJxxx
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Posted 2008-August-21, 17:16

can't see what one can lose with x here
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Posted 2008-August-21, 17:23

pclayton, on Aug 21 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Aug 21 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

Fortunately, I play that a double here is a "stolen cue" double.  That makes this a lot easier.

I'll post my problem hand later, when it comes up.

I'll do it for you:

AKJx xxx x AJxxx

Not a problem at all. 3, forcing and natural. I plan to bid 3 next. WTP?
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Posted 2008-August-21, 17:26

kenrexford, on Aug 21 2008, 06:23 PM, said:

pclayton, on Aug 21 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Aug 21 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

Fortunately, I play that a double here is a "stolen cue" double.  That makes this a lot easier.

I'll post my problem hand later, when it comes up.

I'll do it for you:

AKJx xxx x AJxxx

Not a problem at all. 3, forcing and natural. I plan to bid 3 next. WTP?

The problem was he picked a way too strong example lol
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Posted 2008-August-21, 17:31

jdonn, on Aug 21 2008, 06:26 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Aug 21 2008, 06:23 PM, said:

pclayton, on Aug 21 2008, 06:09 PM, said:

kenrexford, on Aug 21 2008, 02:43 PM, said:

Fortunately, I play that a double here is a "stolen cue" double.  That makes this a lot easier.

I'll post my problem hand later, when it comes up.

I'll do it for you:

AKJx xxx x AJxxx

Not a problem at all. 3, forcing and natural. I plan to bid 3 next. WTP?

The problem was he picked a way too strong example lol

Duh! I thought that was quite humorous as well.

I'm not saying that I won't have a problem hand. However, I think showing strong support via the double is more important in this situation, because 3NT is so often the right end spot.
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Posted 2008-August-21, 19:12

Do people play 2nt as natural here ? If not, we could start with with 2nt and bid 3 over partner's 3, showing a stopper and support.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 01:51

3H for me also
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Posted 2008-August-22, 02:15

3 and pass if 4 comes back to you.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 05:10

I tend to trust partner's 2nd level 2nd seat O/Cs... so 3N here.

The only rewason I can find behind 3H is a remote slam possibility, but then again, partner can hold hands with which 3N makes when 5D fails.
It all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents.
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Posted 2008-August-22, 05:27

Over 3H (my choice) no reason 3N is lost forever. On the illustrated example hand (xxx xx AKxxxx Kx) Pard has a relatively easy "ambiguous 3-level" 3s call to keep 3n in the picture.
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