[mikes616]

sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place but.....My partner opened with 1NT...i had 5C and 5D and 6pts.....what should I have bid??

[kenrexford]

It depends on what you play.

It would be tremendous if you had techniques. I'll guess, from the question, that you play 2♠ as showing either clubs or diamonds and weak. Partner bids 3♣, and then you pass or correct. Am I right?

If so, a common technique I play (with people who do this) is for Opener to not bid 3♣ but rather bid 2NT if he likes diamonds better than clubs.

This still allows me to bid 3♣ or 3♦ to play when I am weak with a long minor. However, if I am weak with length in both minors, I can now pass 3♣ (partner likes clubs better than diamonds) or bid 3♦ if partner bids 2NT instead (partner likes diamonds better than clubs).

If you think through the implications of this, there are a lot more things you can do, like bidding 2♠ when you are marginally interested in a slam with a minor (to see if partner likes your minor), to check on a control in a minor (e.g., you have running clubs with three hearts and three spades and a glaring club problem), etc.

[1eyedjack]

Don't know what is the strength of the 1N opener (or method of scoring), but pass rates to score OK a lot of the time if you dont have a particular bid for the hand. If you go down in 1N they reckon to be making a partial in a major. A bit worried about missing 3N our way, but not greatly so.

[mike777]

1nt=2s!

2s=minor suit stayman, either weak with long Diamonds, weak with both minors (5-5) or slam try with both minors, at least 4-4 often more.

opener rebids:
2nt=no four card minor

responder rebids:
3c=weak 5-5 minors opener passes or corrects
3d=sign off
3h=slam try with longer clubs
3s=slam try with longer D
3nt=sign off.

opener rebids:
3c shows 4+clubs

responder rebids:
3d=sign off
3nt(mild slam try opener can pass or bid on)

opener rebids:
3d shows 4+diamonds


responder rebids:
3nt=mild slam try, opener can pass or bid


you can add on kickback for rkc but that is another thread.

[jdonn]

It just depends what system you use over 1NT, there is no other way to put it. I will mention however that if you pass and the opponents balance into a major, and you then bid 2NT, that should show minors, not be some balanced 7 count.

[effervesce]

jdonn, on Aug 21 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

It just depends what system you use over 1NT, there is no other way to put it. I will mention however that if you pass and the opponents balance into a major, and you then bid 2NT, that should show minors, not be some balanced 7 count.

At MPs as well?

[jdonn]

effervesce, on Aug 21 2008, 08:34 PM, said:

jdonn, on Aug 21 2008, 07:05 PM, said:

It just depends what system you use over 1NT, there is no other way to put it. I will mention however that if you pass and the opponents balance into a major, and you then bid 2NT, that should show minors, not be some balanced 7 count.

At MPs as well?

At bridge

[CSGibson]

There are plenty of systems to "solve" that hand. I've seen 3♣ used as a weak 5-5 minor suit hand when I was in Vegas, but in my own methods I'd bid 2♠ as minor-suit stayman, and then if partner bids 2N I bid 3♣ as pass or correct.

[ASkolnick]

Or if you play 4 suit transfers with suoer acceptance and Bid'em if you like them.

You can respond 1N-2N- Transfer to diamonds. If partner does not like diamonds, he bids 3C which you can pass since he rates to have clubs then.

[Mudlark]

According to SAYC response to 1 NT is 2 S, Puppet Stayman and tells opener you have 5 to 7 points and a long minor of 5 or more cards. Opener rebids 3C and responder either accepts 3C by passing or corrects to 3D then opener must sign off by passing.
This must be Alerted.

[CSGibson]

Mudlark, on Aug 23 2008, 08:24 PM, said:

According to SAYC response to 1 NT is 2 S, Puppet Stayman and tells opener you have 5 to 7 points and a long minor of 5 or more cards. Opener rebids 3C and responder either accepts 3C by passing or corrects to 3D then opener must sign off by passing.
This must be Alerted.

The treatment you described is popular, but is not called puppet stayman. Puppet stayman is a way of finding out if the no trump opener has either a 4 or 5 card major. Also, there is no high card point requirements for the bid; simply the thought that you will get a better score in 3 of a minor than in 1N

[kenrexford]

Mudlark, on Aug 23 2008, 10:24 PM, said:

According to SAYC response to 1 NT is 2 S, Puppet Stayman and tells opener you have 5 to 7 points and a long minor of 5 or more cards. Opener rebids 3C and responder either accepts 3C by passing or corrects to 3D then opener must sign off by passing.
This must be Alerted.

Yeah -- that's what I was talking about. But, why should opener always bid 3♣ with 2NT available? Hence, the idea for SAYC that 2NT show better diamonds than clubs.

[P_Marlowe]

mikes616, on Aug 21 2008, 06:10 PM, said:

sorry if I'm posting this in the wrong place but.....My partner opened with 1NT...i had 5C and 5D and 6pts.....what should I have bid??

If you dont have special agreements, the answer is pass.

One possible option is to play 2NT as showing 5-5, but than
you need a bid, which takes care of the bal. hand with inv.
strength (the hands 2NT took care of), and one could use 2S
for this bid.

2S is a bid which is not used in standard agreements, so it is
free. Of course there are other sets of agreements out there.

The response to 2S: 2NT is min, 3C is max.

With kind regards
Marlowe

PS: If you play 2S the way descibed above, you can of course
incooperate other hand types, e.g. weak hands with a long minor,
you intend to pass the 3C bid by opener or intend to convert
openers answer to 2s to your minor on the 3 level.
You also free up the 4NT response to 1NT, ... but of course you loose
2S, if you already have assigned a specific meaning to the bid.