[jdonn]

mikeh, on Sep 29 2008, 03:31 PM, said:

edited for redundancy, having read josh's post..

Aw yours was funny! Bring it back...

[cherdano]

han, on Sep 29 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

The problem with your plan is that partner does not always bid 3NT. For example, partner could bid 4D, even though your partner did not seem aware of this possibility. Now a 4S bid by you would not show 4-card support, and would not suggest that your diamonds are fake.

Maybe you could survive by jumping to 5S over 4D.

True, maybe partner will reply 6♥ (two + Q outside spades) and we can pass that.

[kenrexford]

Well, I have to admit that I was sucked in. The 3♦ call did seem obvious to me.

[FrancesHinden]

kenrexford, on Sep 30 2008, 04:13 AM, said:

Well, I have to admit that I was sucked in. The 3♦ call did seem obvious to me.

When the opponents asked lots of questions about the meaning of 3D, was it described as natural?

On the off-chance that LHO didn't lead a top diamond (which is clearly their best lead looking at your two hands), the contract made, and they called the director, the TD would note that

- you jump shifted into a 2-card suit
- your partner, with two aces, decent values and prime 4-card diamond support bid 3NT (not even a lurky 3H)

what do you think he would say?

[kenrexford]

FrancesHinden, on Sep 30 2008, 04:16 AM, said:

kenrexford, on Sep 30 2008, 04:13 AM, said:

Well, I have to admit that I was sucked in.  The 3♦ call did seem obvious to me. 

When the opponents asked lots of questions about the meaning of 3D, was it described as natural?

On the off-chance that LHO didn't lead a top diamond (which is clearly their best lead looking at your two hands), the contract made, and they called the director, the TD would note that

- you jump shifted into a 2-card suit
- your partner, with two aces, decent values and prime 4-card diamond support bid 3NT (not even a lurky 3H)

what do you think he would say?

When the opponents asked a lot of questions (they did), I explained my understanding that diamonds could be a manufactured bid to establish a game force. As a result, the diamond King did hit the table.

Now, as to Part II -- how do you play this hand? The obvious part is that you will hook hearts, presumably, which will work, and will hope that spades split 3-2. However, you will plan for the event that spades do not split 3-2, which is a good idea, because spades do not in fact split 3-2, instead 4-1.

So, now that the obvious play issues are resolved, what line seems to maximize your chances?

[dburn]

I win the opening lead and duck a spade. My plan is to revoke on the second round of hearts, which should lead to down at least four. With luck, this will mean that the person who bid 3♦ at his second turn will never play with me again.

[kenrexford]

dburn, on Sep 30 2008, 11:43 AM, said:

I win the opening lead and duck a spade. My plan is to revoke on the second round of hearts, which should lead to down at least four. With luck, this will mean that the person who bid 3♦ at his second turn will never play with me again.

That would be you, if you declare.

[kenrexford]

It seemed to me that an obvious, but extremely unlikely, line was to play RHO for the A-K in clubs (or a mistake) and four spades. Winning the diamond Ace, then hooking hearts, to lead a diamond up, winning the spade return in hand to cash out hearts before entry to dummy to cash the established diamond. However, that seems unlikely to succeed and in fact did fail.

In the post-mortem, I contemplated a duck of the diamond lead, which seems to give me more transportation options if diamonds are not continued, which might help with a diamond-club, diamond-spade, or double squeeze. Of course, the opponents could then just continue diamonds.

Any thoughts on this?

[gwnn]

sorry about this necro but this thread is just so awesome

[jdonn]

gwnn, on Nov 9 2009, 09:24 PM, said:

sorry about this necro but this thread is just so awesome

I usually hate when people do that. But this is probably my all time favorite necro...

[the hog]

kenrexford, on Sep 29 2008, 09:17 PM, said:

I'm not sure what partner will do after 4♣, because in practice partner was bidding strangely and continued that practice.  My bid happened to be 3♦, for various reasons.  I need the diamond and spade Aces for slam to be good, and nothing more.  So, I decided that 4♣ was insufficient, even with 4♦ LTTC available.  Plus, a jump shift into diamonds had the additional advantage of perhaps dissuading a diamond lead, where any two missing Aces might work.

The end auction was:

1♥-1♠
3♦-3NT
4♠-4NT
6♥(two with the Queen and a void)-P

The final pass was really weird.  I felt that I needed to show the void because I would have held ♠KQJx ♥AKQxxx ♦Kx ♣x or something similar.  Walsh Fragments do not seem to be used after a heart opening.

So, to the play problem.  Partner had been bidding very strangely.  He bid 1♠ because he decided that 3NT was probably going to be the right final contract.  He bid 3NT for the same reason.  He converted 4♠ to 4NT because he felt that this was natural, which seems odd.  In any event, the diamond King hits the table as the lead, after many questions about whether 3♦ was a natural bid and much in the way of fussing over the lead by LHO.  You see:

Dealer: South Vul: N/S Scoring: MP

♠ Axx ♥ xx ♦ AJxx ♣ QJ10x ♠ KQxxx ♥ AKJxxx ♦ xx ♣

♦King lead.

How to play this mess to the bitter end is the next question.

My heavens, both North and South are total nutters and deserve each other. Why post a question about bidding when the "bidding" resembles nothing known to man?
I actually disagree with all the previous posters. I would have opened 1C, my best suit, and splintered in Hearts over the obvious 1S response

[aguahombre]

It happened again...the Hog's irony and sarcasm express my feelings much better than I ever could.

[gwnn]

My opponent opened 1♣ on AQJxxxx AKxxx x - yesterday and it made me think of this thread

(1♣=0+ nf, 1♦=4+, 1♥/♠=5+, 2♣=GF)

[han]

I had forgotten all about this thread. I did't remember any of the posts and had a good laugh reading it. Could you please necro this again in about 3 years?

[han]

the sarcasm examples in the urban dictionary are pretty good as well.

[Fluffy]

The only comment I remembered abotut this thread was dburn´s wich is odd. I think I just skipped whatever posts about bidding after reading OP.

Glad I had another oportunity now because I had to go to toilet to avoid peeing in my pants. thx Csaba.

[gwnn]

han, on 2012-February-16, 03:40, said:

I had forgotten all about this thread. I did't remember any of the posts and had a good laugh reading it. Could you please necro this again in about 3 years?

Sure, no problem.

[whereagles]

where's that han-derbidder?