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1. ♥J, x, x, x
2. ♥T,♦, x, x
3. ♥x,♣,Q, K
4. ♣K, x, x, A
Declarer thinking hearts are 5-3 from the bidding and the lead now concedes -1. The opponents accept. When declarer sees hearts are 4-4, the director is called.
-50 or +400?
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Posted 2011-August-21, 18:18
1. ♥J, x, x, x
2. ♥T,♦, x, x
3. ♥x,♣,Q, K
4. ♣K, x, x, A
Declarer thinking hearts are 5-3 from the bidding and the lead now concedes -1. The opponents accept. When declarer sees hearts are 4-4, the director is called.
-50 or +400?
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Posted 2011-August-21, 18:24
-1 (it's not impossible to lose 2 tricks from there) unless he said he was losing 2 hearts.
bit lame of EW to enforce this in a speedball imo but such is life.
edit: misunderstod the OP re how declarer spotted hearts were 4-4. if he spots it before they start the next board and before the end of the round, he's fine.
bit lame of EW to enforce this in a speedball imo but such is life.
edit: misunderstod the OP re how declarer spotted hearts were 4-4. if he spots it before they start the next board and before the end of the round, he's fine.
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Posted 2011-August-21, 18:26
Added the play to the diagram.
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Posted 2011-August-21, 18:27
+400 I will legislate from the bench, if necessary.
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Posted 2011-August-21, 18:38
"the Director shall cancel a concession [...] if a player has conceded a trick that could not be lost by any normal* play of the remaining cards."
* For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved.
Well East really should be playing ♥A now. Is discarding a club or diamond from dummy now "careless or inferior"? Personally, I think it's downright bonkers. And with clubs 3-2 I can't see declarer accidentally losing another club trick later on, either. So +400 from me unless the players involved are at least 2 classes below me.
* For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved.
Well East really should be playing ♥A now. Is discarding a club or diamond from dummy now "careless or inferior"? Personally, I think it's downright bonkers. And with clubs 3-2 I can't see declarer accidentally losing another club trick later on, either. So +400 from me unless the players involved are at least 2 classes below me.
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Posted 2011-August-21, 20:15
mgoetze, on 2011-August-21, 18:38, said:
"the Director shall cancel a concession [...] if a player has conceded a trick that could not be lost by any normal* play of the remaining cards."
* For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved.
Well East really should be playing ♥A now. Is discarding a club or diamond from dummy now "careless or inferior"? Personally, I think it's downright bonkers. And with clubs 3-2 I can't see declarer accidentally losing another club trick later on, either. So +400 from me unless the players involved are at least 2 classes below me.
* For the purposes of Laws 70 and 71, “normal” includes play that would be careless or inferior for the class of player involved.
Well East really should be playing ♥A now. Is discarding a club or diamond from dummy now "careless or inferior"? Personally, I think it's downright bonkers. And with clubs 3-2 I can't see declarer accidentally losing another club trick later on, either. So +400 from me unless the players involved are at least 2 classes below me.
Agreed, I can't quite see how this should not be changed to +400 unless S only noticed after the correction period is over.
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Posted 2011-August-21, 21:06
The director was immediately called once he saw the hand record.
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Posted 2011-August-23, 07:49
+400.
If I had been East or West I would have told declarer he was making +400 at the time.
If play had continued East would have cashed the ♥A and declarer would have realised his mistake two cards later.
If I had been East or West I would have told declarer he was making +400 at the time.
If play had continued East would have cashed the ♥A and declarer would have realised his mistake two cards later.
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