[kgr]

Teams (IMP's)/All Green/You are dealer:

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You play T-Walsh:
Pass-1♣
1♦!-2NT (1♦=transfer ♥)
Partner showed an 18-19HCP balanced hand without 4c♥. GF.
How do you continue now?
= = =
Agreements if you want to use them:
- 3♦ is re-transfer. Partner will accept the transfer with 3c♥ and bid 3♠ with a 4c♠.
If partner does not accept the re-transfer (f.i bids 3NT) then 4♥ by you shows a 6c♥ with slam-interest, and 4♦ shows then a 5♥-4/5♦.
- 4♦ is re-transfer ♥
= = =
I'm mostly interested how you evaluate this hand and how you would bid it with a Walsh-like start. Bidding ♦ then will show 4c♥ and long ♦?

[gordontd]

You seem to me to have too many ways to bid hearts and not enough ways to bid diamonds. Surely either 3D or 4D should show diamonds?

[kgr]

gordontd, on 2011-October-02, 02:58, said:

You seem to me to have too many ways to bid hearts and not enough ways to bid diamonds. Surely either 3D or 4D should show diamonds?

3♣ is transfer to ♦, but would deny more than 4-♥'s.
Isn't that a consequence of (T-)Walsh?

1♣-1♦! (1♦=xfer ♥)
2NT-3♣! (3♣=xfer ♦)
3NT-4♥???
We don't have an agreement about 4♥ here.

[whereagles]

5 losers opposite an expectancy of 5 cover cards. This can be grand slam territory. But I'll just keep it simple: 6D.

[gordontd]

whereagles, on 2011-October-02, 06:45, said:

5 losers opposite an expectancy of 5 cover cards. This can be grand slam territory. But I'll just keep it simple: 6D.

I suspect that in the given system that would show 4H & 6D. Probably you would need to retransfer into hearts first to show this hand.

[Phil]

Sathya and I have had some discussions along this line recently. We play Wolff, so that adds a spin on things, and there is a Wolff sequence 1♣ - 1♥ - 2N - 3♣ - 3♦ - 3♠ that specifically shows a 5M and 5 of the other minor.

When you have a 4M - 6/7 other minor, sometimes you don't want to make a 2/1 with hand type. Accordingly, we decided to use a jump to 4 of the minor to show this.

In the types T-Walsh I have played and seen, you still show hearts (via 1♦) 1st, so its easily possible to have longer diamonds that you didn't want to show initially with 1♠. So there's no problem with transferring back to diamonds with 3♣ and starting to complete the picture with a 3♥ rebid. Yes its wrong sided, but at least you are getting your suit lengths across.

[kgr]

Phil, on 2011-October-02, 08:10, said:

In the types T-Walsh I have played and seen, you still show hearts (via 1♦) 1st, so its easily possible to have longer diamonds that you didn't want to show initially with 1♠. So there's no problem with transferring back to diamonds with 3♣ and starting to complete the picture with a 3♥ rebid. Yes its wrong sided, but at least you are getting your suit lengths across.

The problem with the 3♣...3♥ plan is that partner will bid 3NT without 3c♦.
But maybe
1♣-1♦
2NT-3♣
3NT-4♥
should show this hand, but is 4♥ then to play, slam interest or even forcing?