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#1 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2011-October-15, 19:56

Imp pairs, all white:

♠---
♥AQ
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♣Q98743

Pa-(Pa)-Pa-(1♥)
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Would you bid here or not? 2NT? 4♣(3♣ would show spades and clubs)? 4NT?

Between 4♣ and 4NT what's better and worse and why?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

Besides playing for fun, most people also like to play bridge to win


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Posted 2011-October-15, 22:34

I would pass.
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Posted 2011-October-16, 00:03

2N, we could be cold for a game/have a good save etc etc. All white with a spade void when partner couldn't open in third seat makes me feel somewhat safe, they probably have a spade fit and maybe also a heart fit. Ofc I could go for a number still but it seems worth the risk.

If you are too scared to bid 2N I feel like you should at least bid 1N. Side note: I think you should play raptor in this auction as opposed to 1N for the minors.
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Posted 2011-October-16, 01:46

Pass, where are the spades?
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Posted 2011-October-16, 01:51

I do not understand pass
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Posted 2011-October-16, 13:15

1/2NT seems normal.
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Posted 2011-October-16, 13:56

View Postthe hog, on 2011-October-16, 01:46, said:

Pass, where are the spades?


2nt Where are the spades? I hope to bury them.
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Posted 2011-October-16, 20:08

View Postggwhiz, on 2011-October-16, 13:56, said:

2nt Where are the spades? I hope to bury them.


I don't think you will if opp now bids 3D showing H support and S. I think you have just helped the opps.
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Posted 2011-October-16, 21:49

View Postthe hog, on 2011-October-16, 20:08, said:

I don't think you will if opp now bids 3D showing H support and S. I think you have just helped the opps.


As opposed to if I passed and they bid 2S showing heart supp and spades?
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Posted 2011-October-17, 04:24

I have never seen the observation that the opponents must have a big spade fit being used as an argument for passing. You can accuse the Hog of many things, but you can't blame him for being unimaginative.
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Posted 2011-October-17, 11:43

I would show minors whatever that is in the system 1 or 2NT.

But why is everyone so concerned about ♠ suit ? It is usually a matter of to open or not when u are short in boss suit, but here they already opened. I do not understand the wish to bury their ♠ fit either. Why would i wanna bury their 4-4 ♠ fit ? I have great defense in ♠ contracts combined with pd's trump stack. I would bid 2NT for the reasons Justin explained, not for any reason about preventing their ♠ fit.
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Posted 2011-October-17, 18:08

View Posthan, on 2011-October-17, 04:24, said:

I have never seen the observation that the opponents must have a big spade fit being used as an argument for passing. You can accuse the Hog of many things, but you can't blame him for being unimaginative.


Another extremely intelligent and informative post.
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Posted 2011-October-17, 19:02

View PostMrAce, on 2011-October-17, 11:43, said:

But why is everyone so concerned about ♠ suit ?


huh... because people always admire the good things they don't have?? B-)
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Posted 2011-October-18, 01:47

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Posted 2011-October-18, 09:26

View Posthan, on 2011-October-17, 04:24, said:

I have never seen the observation that the opponents must have a big spade fit being used as an argument for passing. You can accuse the Hog of many things, but you can't blame him for being unimaginative.


maybe but he better be careful or gwnn will butcher him :)
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