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The five level belongs to ... To bid or not to bid?

Poll: Raise partner? (65 member(s) have cast votes)

What do you call?

  1. Pass (36 votes [55.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 55.38%

  2. Double (8 votes [12.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.31%

  3. 5H (21 votes [32.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 32.31%

  4. Bid something else - please explain (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#21 User is offline   Hanoi5 

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Posted 2011-November-17, 05:02

I'd prefer diamonds and spades to be reversed in order to bid on, but I'm not passing with AKxx (more than half my opening) in partner's suit.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2011-November-17, 18:25

xxx
AKxx
xx
AJxx

this is a nice simple 1c opener that
happens to have heart support and is worth
a nice simple 2h bid if p bids 1h.

x
AKxx
xx
AJTxxx

is almost 4 tricks better than the boring
minimum hand and deserves a ton more respect
than a whimpering pass even at the 5 level.

Almost any hand p might have (missing the trump
AK) that looks slammish probably is and p will
rarely be disappointed with this dummy if they
decide to raise our 5h bid to 6h.

Will this always work?? NOOOOOO but I like
the odds in favor of aggression here.
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Posted 2011-November-17, 18:58

View Postgwnn, on 2011-November-17, 03:14, said:

Pass for now.

Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.


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Posted 2011-November-17, 19:18

View Postgwnn, on 2011-November-17, 03:14, said:

Pass for now.

Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

Bid now.

Reasoning: Unless you speculate, you can't accumulate. You gotta give 110% in this game. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

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Posted 2011-November-17, 20:05

Minimum albeit good shape.
Partner knows if he has 6 or 12+.
He knows to bid mostly when it is right.
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Posted 2011-November-23, 04:22

View Postgwnn, on 2011-November-17, 03:14, said:

Pass for now.

Reasoning: Life is hard. That which does not kill you makes you stronger. Good things come for those who wait. It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

View Postmikeh, on 2011-November-17, 19:18, said:

Bid now.

Reasoning: Unless you speculate, you can't accumulate. You gotta give 110% in this game. A coward dies a thousand deaths, a hero only one. You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.

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Posted 2011-November-23, 16:23

I would bid 5: Bridge is a bidder's game.

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Posted 2011-November-24, 00:49

View PostCascade, on 2011-November-17, 18:58, said:

Do you have any cliches to back up your original thoughts?

to back up what?
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Posted 2011-November-24, 02:17

View PostCascade, on 2011-November-17, 18:58, said:

Do you have any cliches to back up your original thoughts?

View Postgwnn, on 2011-November-24, 00:49, said:

to back up what?

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Posted 2011-November-24, 04:14

Originality is dead.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-24, 09:44

Does this have a solution?
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Posted 2011-November-24, 10:20

View Postgszes, on 2011-November-17, 18:25, said:

xxx
AKxx
xx
AJxx

this is a nice simple 1c opener that
happens to have heart support and is worth
a nice simple 2h bid if p bids 1h.

x
AKxx
xx
AJTxxx

is almost 4 tricks better than the boring
minimum hand and deserves a ton more respect
than a whimpering pass even at the 5 level.


I guess

x
AKxx
xx
AKJxxx

is a 6 bid?

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Posted 2011-November-24, 12:04

View Postgnasher, on 2011-November-24, 04:14, said:

Originality is dead.

That's a new one to me
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Posted 2011-November-24, 13:04

View Postmikeh, on 2011-November-24, 12:04, said:

That's a new one to me


C'mon, Oscar Wilde killed it a long time ago.

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the 3.


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Posted 2011-November-24, 13:07

View PostHanoi5, on 2011-November-24, 13:04, said:

C'mon, Oscar Wilde killed it a long time ago.

sorry, I should have added a smiley, but hoped that it wasn't necessary. Literalism is killing efforts at humour ;)
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Posted 2011-November-24, 13:39

View Postaffe82, on 2011-November-16, 11:32, said:

This is an interesting position to play forcing p in.
Me and p has discussed playing forcing pass over favarouble sacrifices from opp when we have shown some values.
This fits the description.
Sure opps can use this convention to their advantage with knowledge of it; still i think it makes sense and do make the cases of the working preempt considerably fewer.


Yes, we play forcing pass over pre-empts when we have both shown some values.
This auction doesn't count, however... we open all balanced 11s, and partner may respond on nothing.
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Posted 2011-November-25, 14:15

:P Pass (in tempo) for me. Suppose pard has the wrong 8 HCP hand? I might get another chance to bid 5 hearts. "Down one is good bridge" .. duhmastah
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Posted 2011-November-25, 15:33

Here's the problem with 5: Partner might bid six!

I mean there are several more problems with it. I really don't see a reason not to make a normal??? pass. What's so good about my hand? People are nuts.

Just to throw another overused saying out there... partner still has a bid!
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Posted 2011-November-25, 16:07

Pass is obvious.

When fixed, stay fixed.

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Posted 2011-November-26, 04:31

Easy pass and bid after double. Indeed swap my pointed suits and I'd be a bit more worried but not much.
At the moment partner has shown us no values. Saying that we pass to sit partner's double is really absurd,
we expect partner to show us the values we need to venture to 5lvl.

I don't know, maybe your opps are really fixed with their pre-empts after their partner has passed, but I wouldn't
be a bit surprised if RHO held something like AKxx - AQxxxxx Kxx
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