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(2♠ showed something in ♥. Preemptive or invitational against a weak 2♥)
Your partner bids 4NT Quantitative and you have a minimum in HCP.
Is your hand good enough to bid?
5♦ shows a max with 4c♦; 6♦ max with 5c♦.
What is your call?
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Call after partner bids 4NT Quant
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Posted 2011-November-26, 07:14
(2♠ showed something in ♥. Preemptive or invitational against a weak 2♥)
Your partner bids 4NT Quantitative and you have a minimum in HCP.
Is your hand good enough to bid?
5♦ shows a max with 4c♦; 6♦ max with 5c♦.
What is your call?
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Posted 2011-November-26, 08:34
if I bid 5c will partner show a 4 card suit?
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Posted 2011-November-26, 09:15
Partner's strenght is on a range where he won´t be playing mind games with 2♠. So he has 4♥, and 2♠ at most. This means at least 1 4-card minor is there.
I don´t even count my HCP here, I have 3 losers! how can I not play slam in a minor?
5♠ comes to mind, but partner would need some imagination.
Depending on partner I might try 6♦, 5♣ or 5♠
I don´t even count my HCP here, I have 3 losers! how can I not play slam in a minor?
5♠ comes to mind, but partner would need some imagination.
Depending on partner I might try 6♦, 5♣ or 5♠
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Posted 2011-November-26, 10:17
Unless I have some bid to ask pard to bid a minor, I'd try 5D and pull pard's bid to 6C.
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Posted 2011-November-26, 10:17
5NT. I'm sure we want to give slam in a minor a go, but we need to illicit partners help regarding strain.
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Posted 2011-November-26, 19:56
A common treatment where i learnt bridge over 4NT quant
5x = cheaper of 4-4 suits (in this case minors since we denied 4 card M)
6x = 5 or 6 card suit.
This method ignores ace responding over 4NT quantitative when accepting.
5x = cheaper of 4-4 suits (in this case minors since we denied 4 card M)
6x = 5 or 6 card suit.
This method ignores ace responding over 4NT quantitative when accepting.
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Posted 2011-November-27, 01:50
I'd bid 5NT and try to scramble to a minor fit, at least, if partner understands this...
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Posted 2011-November-27, 02:43
As partner is sure to have 4m 5C (baron) will do the job. No reason to get fancy here.
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Posted 2011-November-27, 04:30
- 5♠=I didn't consider this one, but it can only be both majors. Probably the best bid with this hand.
- My plan was to bid 5♦ followed by 6♣, but maybe 5♣ is better. 5♦ shows a 4c♦, but this was impossible for my partner because then I would have 3343 and I would have bid 6NT. So he 'knew' that I had a 5c♦. If I start with 5♣ then he would know that I have 2/3=4=4.
This was the full hand and bidding:
All Slams go down.
Maybe my partner should realise that I have a bad 5cD and should bid 5NT iso 6D. Then I would bid 6C and go down in 6C.
- My plan was to bid 5♦ followed by 6♣, but maybe 5♣ is better. 5♦ shows a 4c♦, but this was impossible for my partner because then I would have 3343 and I would have bid 6NT. So he 'knew' that I had a 5c♦. If I start with 5♣ then he would know that I have 2/3=4=4.
This was the full hand and bidding:
All Slams go down.
Maybe my partner should realise that I have a bad 5cD and should bid 5NT iso 6D. Then I would bid 6C and go down in 6C.
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Posted 2011-November-27, 05:29
Maybe your partner should realise that 9 + 23 = 32. He also has poor spot cards and his high cards are opposite your short suits.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-27, 07:38
gnasher, on 2011-November-27, 05:29, said:
Maybe your partner should realise that 9 + 23 = 32.
I was going to post the same thing.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-November-27, 12:19
gnasher, on 2011-November-27, 05:29, said:
Maybe your partner should realise that 9 + 23 = 32. He also has poor spot cards and his high cards are opposite your short suits.
Yeah, I blame partner for bidding this way with the wrong 9-count.
If only he'd had xx Axxx KQxx xxx and we could almost claim 7♦ at trick 1!
NB: Mostly sarcastic. I wouldn't invite slam either, but it's not because of the spots, it's because of the jacks.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 06:00
Slmplicity, on 2011-November-26, 10:17, said:
5NT. I'm sure we want to give slam in a minor a go, but we need to illicit partners help regarding strain.
What does "illicit partner's help" mean? Try to discover his opinion by illegal means?
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Posted 2011-November-29, 10:10
I play 5N as a buck passing operation in response to 4N quantitative, which I suspect works fairly well here as partner will pass.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 12:35
Vampyr, on 2011-November-29, 06:00, said:
What does "illicit partner's help" mean? Try to discover his opinion by illegal means?
Pretty sure he means Elicit.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 14:17
phil_20686, on 2011-November-29, 12:35, said:
Pretty sure he means Elicit.
Correction... did you intend the capital at the start of elicit?
It was a good post (IMO) from Vampyr, though I don't do voting or read it.
But in general on an international Bridge site, spelling, implied pronunciation, grammatical correctness, precision in meaning...All for the point in the day or the point in your self esteem where Bridge isn't cutting it any more.
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