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Dealer: East / MPs / All white
Pd (North) opens 1♦ in 4th Seat.
Op (East) bids 1♠.
What is your bid with:
♣ 1098
♦ 10752
♥ QJ87
♠ A2
What is your 2nd bid after West raises to 2♠ and Pd passes?
Simple problem?
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Posted 2011-November-24, 02:59
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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:17
Bussy, on 2011-November-24, 02:59, said:
Dealer: East / MPs / All white
Pd (North) opens 1♦ in 4th Seat.
Op (East) bids 1♠.
What is your bid with:
♣ 1098
♦ 10752
♥ QJ87
♠ A2
What is your 2nd bid after West raises to 2♠ and Pd passes?
Pd (North) opens 1♦ in 4th Seat.
Op (East) bids 1♠.
What is your bid with:
♣ 1098
♦ 10752
♥ QJ87
♠ A2
What is your 2nd bid after West raises to 2♠ and Pd passes?
Did you reverse the order of the hand or just the symbols?
In both cases - I would double, and correct to ♦ if partner bids ♣. If he bids hearts or NT I am happy.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:31
Oh sorry, right. I have reversed the order.
♠ A2
♥ QJ87
♦ 10752
♣ 1098
Question 2)
Bidding goes:
East - South - West - North
Pass - Pass - Pass - 1♦
1♠ - (????) - 2♠ - Pass
Pass - ??
♠ A2
♥ QJ87
♦ 10752
♣ 1098
Question 2)
Bidding goes:
East - South - West - North
Pass - Pass - Pass - 1♦
1♠ - (????) - 2♠ - Pass
Pass - ??
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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:38
I would double , and compete with 3♦ over their 2♠
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X then 3D. 3D is pretty sick but...MP w/w, this is how we roll!
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Posted 2011-November-24, 03:53
Bussy, on 2011-November-24, 03:31, said:
East - South - West - North
Pass - Pass - Pass - 1♦
1♠ - (????) - 2♠ - Pass
Pass - ??
3♦, and hope we dont go for -2 doubled....I see no reason to think that 2♠ is not making, so as long as we loose less than 110 it would be good.
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"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
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"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad."
"How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 08:15
I wouldn't be worried about being doubled in 3♦. The main problem is that the 3♦ bid has a very wide range - from this hand (or worse) all the way up to an 11-count. As usual, I think transfers are the answer - 2NT showing clubs, 3♣ showing diamonds weak or game-forcing, 3♦ natural invitational.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-24, 08:31
gnasher, on 2011-November-24, 08:15, said:
I wouldn't be worried about being doubled in 3♦. The main problem is that the 3♦ bid has a very wide range - from this hand (or worse) all the way up to an 11-count. As usual, I think transfers are the answer - 2NT showing clubs, 3♣ showing diamonds weak or game-forcing, 3♦ natural invitational.
I wouldn't have this problem with this sequence (which I'd also adopt) as an initial 2♦ would be inverted not denying 4M 10+, so I'm limited to 9.
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Cyberyeti, on 2011-November-24, 08:31, said:
I wouldn't have this problem with this sequence (which I'd also adopt) as an initial 2♦ would be inverted not denying 4M 10+, so I'm limited to 9.
Your opening 1D bid also promises 4+. Presumably the inverted 2D response also guarantees an 8 card fit?
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Posted 2011-November-24, 09:14
gnasher, on 2011-November-24, 08:15, said:
I wouldn't be worried about being doubled in 3♦. The main problem is that the 3♦ bid has a very wide range - from this hand (or worse) all the way up to an 11-count. As usual, I think transfers are the answer - 2NT showing clubs, 3♣ showing diamonds weak or game-forcing, 3♦ natural invitational.
That is the point! Yesterday I've doubled first & bidden 3♦ over 2♠. My partner (with a nice 14 HCP hand / also King of ♠) tried 3NT... - doubled/ -2. "I thought you had 10/11 points p..."
I like your Lebensohl-like sequence...
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Posted 2011-November-24, 11:10
Cyberyeti, on 2011-November-24, 08:31, said:
I wouldn't have this problem with this sequence (which I'd also adopt) as an initial 2♦ would be inverted not denying 4M 10+, so I'm limited to 9.
It must be fun trying to cope with sequences like 1♦ (1♠) 2♦ (3♠).
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-24, 13:12
Dbl and 3♦ for me.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 13:16
I would just raise to 2♦ on the first round. The downside is when we make 110 in diamonds instead of 140 in hearts. But once I have raised, it will be much easier for partner to make the right decision about whether to compete further.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 18:24
Bussy, on 2011-November-24, 03:31, said:
♠ A2 ♥ QJ87 ♦ 10752 ♣ 1098
(Pass) - Pass - (Pass) - 1♦
(1♠) - ?1 - (2♠) - Pass
(Pass) - ?2
(Pass) - Pass - (Pass) - 1♦
(1♠) - ?1 - (2♠) - Pass
(Pass) - ?2
- 2♦ = 10, Double = 9, 3♦ = 6. This hand is worth only one bid.
- If you doubled 1♠, then 3♦ = 10, Pass = 9. Otherwise pass = 10.
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Posted 2011-November-24, 19:07
gnasher, on 2011-November-24, 11:10, said:
It must be fun trying to cope with sequences like 1♦ (1♠) 2♦ (3♠).
Actually no problem at all here with the 4th seat 1♦, can be more of a problem with the first seat version but curiously has never actually caused us a problem as far as I can remember in the 15 odd years we've played this.
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Posted 2011-November-25, 12:14
Cyberyeti, on 2011-November-24, 19:07, said:
gnasher, on 2011-November-24, 11:10, said:
It must be fun trying to cope with sequences like 1♦ (1♠) 2♦ (3♠).
Actually no problem at all here with the 4th seat 1♦, can be more of a problem with the first seat version but curiously has never actually caused us a problem as far as I can remember in the 15 odd years we've played this.
You have never missed a cold 4♥ bidding like this? Maybe you have played this for 15 years, but how many boards do you play per year?
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Trinidad, on 2011-November-25, 12:14, said:
You have never missed a cold 4♥ bidding like this? Maybe you have played this for 15 years, but how many boards do you play per year?
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Not as many as I used to but enough, X from either side still shows hearts for us.
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Posted 2011-November-25, 22:37
There are 4 bids over 1♠, neg x, 1nt and 2♦ (if not inverted) and 3♦ if playing inverted (a bit insane)..I give a neg x 10, as it seems the most sensible and describes my holding since we may be missing a heart fit. I give NT a 5 and 2♦a 7, but it is also not so good for the same reason...I pass 2♠...why am I competing with 3 ♦at IMPs??....3♦ promises a lot more than a balanced 7 count..and do I really want go for 300? ESPECIALLY when pard passes 2♠
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Posted 2011-November-25, 23:24
I would be competing with 3D and not worried that partner will think I am inviting game.
Second double=more strength
2NT=more distribution, hearts and clubs.
3D=this hand.
We already know pard has a good 13-14, and 4 diamonds (at least). She opened the bidding in 4th chair and doesn't have spades; she won't restate that fact by bidding again over 3D.
Second double=more strength
2NT=more distribution, hearts and clubs.
3D=this hand.
We already know pard has a good 13-14, and 4 diamonds (at least). She opened the bidding in 4th chair and doesn't have spades; she won't restate that fact by bidding again over 3D.
"Bidding Spades to show spades can work well." (Kenberg)