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Partner opens 3C.
Say you bid 3H. What do partner's responses mean for you?
3S
3NT
4C
4D
4H
4S (Does this one even exist? void xxxx xx AKJxxxx maybe?)
What about 3C 3S - same meaning for responses?
Has anyone played this structure:
step 1 no support, bad hand
step 2 no support good hand
step 3 support, (Hx or xxx), bad hand
step 4 support good hand.
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Posted 2011-November-26, 19:39
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Posted 2011-November-26, 19:48
I like
3♠=♥ fit and shortness
3NT=♥ shortness
4♣=Doubleton ♥
4♦=♥fit and short
4♥=At least Hx ♥, if 3 card no shortness.
No i didnt play your structure.
3♠=♥ fit and shortness
3NT=♥ shortness
4♣=Doubleton ♥
4♦=♥fit and short
4♥=At least Hx ♥, if 3 card no shortness.
No i didnt play your structure.
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Posted 2011-November-26, 21:11
the hog, on 2011-November-26, 19:39, said:
Partner opens 3C.
Say you bid 3H. What do partner's responses mean for you?
3S
3NT
4C
4D
4H
4S (Does this one even exist? void xxxx xx AKJxxxx maybe?)
What about 3C 3S - same meaning for responses?
Has anyone played this structure:
step 1 no support, bad hand
step 2 no support good hand
step 3 support, (Hx or xxx), bad hand
step 4 support good hand.
Say you bid 3H. What do partner's responses mean for you?
3S
3NT
4C
4D
4H
4S (Does this one even exist? void xxxx xx AKJxxxx maybe?)
What about 3C 3S - same meaning for responses?
Has anyone played this structure:
step 1 no support, bad hand
step 2 no support good hand
step 3 support, (Hx or xxx), bad hand
step 4 support good hand.
3s = control and heart support (normally this will be short but maybe Kx xxx KQJxxx xx)
3n = three of top four honors in clubs no support
4c = no support and not good enough for 3n
4d = control same as 3s but denies spade conrol
4h = support no control bid available
if 3c 3s
3n = 3 of top 4 club honors no support
4c = no support not good enouogh for 3n
4d = support and dia control
4h = support and heart control denies dia control
4s = support and no control
if bidding has gone 3c 3h I see no reason to bid 4s.
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Posted 2011-November-26, 22:56
3♠ = stopper
3N = diamond stopper
4♣ = default
4♦ = side suit. Probably better played as a big heart raise.
4♥ = just support - weaker than 4♦ maybe?
4♠ = does not exist
3N = diamond stopper
4♣ = default
4♦ = side suit. Probably better played as a big heart raise.
4♥ = just support - weaker than 4♦ maybe?
4♠ = does not exist
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Posted 2011-November-26, 23:02
Something similar when rebidding after a weak two and then two of a major (2♦-2M or 2♥-2♠) that I play with some is:
3M = weak raise
2NT = strong raise
New = strong non-raise
Own = weak non-raise
The space to do this aftter a 3-level bid seems to require a different approach.
For one, I think 3♠ after a 3♥ response should be a frag, to cater to partner having both majors or needing a stop in spades. I could be convinced otherwise.
I do like some idea of a power raise, perhaps four of the other minor?
If I were to use 3♠ as a heart power raise, I would show shortness with my call. E.g., 3♣-3♥, 3♠ = stiff spade, 4♦ = stiff diamond. But, perhaps 3♠ as stiff-indicating (3NT ask, then steps) but 4-other-minor as 2-card power raise and 7-2-2-2?
3M = weak raise
2NT = strong raise
New = strong non-raise
Own = weak non-raise
The space to do this aftter a 3-level bid seems to require a different approach.
For one, I think 3♠ after a 3♥ response should be a frag, to cater to partner having both majors or needing a stop in spades. I could be convinced otherwise.
I do like some idea of a power raise, perhaps four of the other minor?
If I were to use 3♠ as a heart power raise, I would show shortness with my call. E.g., 3♣-3♥, 3♠ = stiff spade, 4♦ = stiff diamond. But, perhaps 3♠ as stiff-indicating (3NT ask, then steps) but 4-other-minor as 2-card power raise and 7-2-2-2?
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Posted 2011-November-27, 03:41
After 3♣-3♥, how about:
3♠ = no heart support, good club suit
3NT = no heart support, bad club suit
4♣ = heart support, spade shortage
4♦ = heart support, shortage
4♥ = heart support, no shortage
3♠ = no heart support, good club suit
3NT = no heart support, bad club suit
4♣ = heart support, spade shortage
4♦ = heart support, shortage
4♥ = heart support, no shortage
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Posted 2011-November-27, 04:05
gnasher, on 2011-November-27, 03:41, said:
After 3♣-3♥, how about:
3♠ = no heart support, good club suit
3NT = no heart support, bad club suit
4♣ = heart support, spade shortage
4♦ = heart support, shortage
4♥ = heart support, no shortage
3♠ = no heart support, good club suit
3NT = no heart support, bad club suit
4♣ = heart support, spade shortage
4♦ = heart support, shortage
4♥ = heart support, no shortage
I like that. I currently play that the preempter is not allowed to bid past 3NT, unless he has support for responder's suit. But we haven't defined in more detail what four level bids should mean (therefore, by default, they are cues for hearts).
Our agreement is:
After 3♣-3♥:
3♠ = no heart support, something in spades
3NT = no heart support, default bid
4♣ = heart support, cue
4♦ = heart support, cue
4♥ = heart support, no slam interest
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Posted 2011-November-27, 06:18
gnasher, on 2011-November-27, 03:41, said:
After 3♣-3♥, how about:
3♠ = no heart support, good club suit
3NT = no heart support, bad club suit
4♣ = heart support, spade shortage
4♦ = heart support, shortage
4♥ = heart support, no shortage
3♠ = no heart support, good club suit
3NT = no heart support, bad club suit
4♣ = heart support, spade shortage
4♦ = heart support, shortage
4♥ = heart support, no shortage
After a vulnerable second position preempt is fine, but opposite a non vulnerable first position preempt (wide ranging) I´d rather have some hand evaluation to min-max at least
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Posted 2011-November-27, 23:33
Over a 3C preempt i suggest to play that 3M show a 6 card suit and 3D ask for 3M by preemptor its in the ROMEX book.
3C--3D
The natural method
3H = 3h
3S = 3s
3Nt no 3M
the artificial
3H = no M or 3S
3S = 3H
3NT = both M
I tend to put the strong hand as declarer but give costly lead directing X so im not sure wich is best.
over 3C--3H (showing 6) preempter can bid 3S to relay to 3nt and 3Nt to show a H fit if you want.
3C--3D
The natural method
3H = 3h
3S = 3s
3Nt no 3M
the artificial
3H = no M or 3S
3S = 3H
3NT = both M
I tend to put the strong hand as declarer but give costly lead directing X so im not sure wich is best.
over 3C--3H (showing 6) preempter can bid 3S to relay to 3nt and 3Nt to show a H fit if you want.
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