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Posted 2011-November-27, 01:22
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1♣* =precision 16+
1♦= negative
What would you do ?
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Posted 2011-November-27, 01:48
It would be interesting to know some useful facts:
- what is your defense to strong ♣, so we can figure out what the Dbl is and isn't?
- also the approach might be interesting: does partner bid destructive after a negative, does he bid constructively,...
- is 1♠ forcing or not? Does it show 4+♠ or 5+♠?
- what is your defense to strong ♣, so we can figure out what the Dbl is and isn't?
- also the approach might be interesting: does partner bid destructive after a negative, does he bid constructively,...
- is 1♠ forcing or not? Does it show 4+♠ or 5+♠?
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Posted 2011-November-27, 03:48
If partner had doubled a 1♠ opening, we'd have competed to 3♥. He has shown at least as good a hand as that, so we should still compete to 3♥.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-27, 03:55
Obviously, it all depends on your philosophy in defending against a strong club. But in my partnerships, the whole deal should look something like:
If partner would have been weaker, he would have shown some twosuiter immediately after 1♣ (4-4 is ok at this vulnerability) and yes, partner could be 13(45).
I think that I would have bid 3♥ in the previous round. That would have involved partner in the decision. I need to guess now and I will guess 4♥.
Rik
If partner would have been weaker, he would have shown some twosuiter immediately after 1♣ (4-4 is ok at this vulnerability) and yes, partner could be 13(45).
I think that I would have bid 3♥ in the previous round. That would have involved partner in the decision. I need to guess now and I will guess 4♥.
Rik
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Posted 2011-November-27, 18:01
Free, on 2011-November-27, 01:48, said:
It would be interesting to know some useful facts:
- what is your defense to strong ♣, so we can figure out what the Dbl is and isn't?
- also the approach might be interesting: does partner bid destructive after a negative, does he bid constructively,...
- is 1♠ forcing or not? Does it show 4+♠ or 5+♠?
- what is your defense to strong ♣, so we can figure out what the Dbl is and isn't?
- also the approach might be interesting: does partner bid destructive after a negative, does he bid constructively,...
- is 1♠ forcing or not? Does it show 4+♠ or 5+♠?
-We dont have fancy defense vs strong 1♣, DBL = majors NT= minors rest natural. This delayed double is take out for ♠ suit but no details were discussed.
-As i said no detail were discussed, this is not a pick up pdship but it is only a BBO pdship. So common sense is your only tool.
-1♠ explained as 5+♠ 16-21 (pretty std precision bid)
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"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2011-November-28, 03:08
3♥ looks like we might well make it. Pard should have about 10-12 HCP and a stiff spade.
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Posted 2011-November-28, 07:37
Doesn't partner take immediate action
with a middling shapely hand?
He didn't. He's really competing.
3H not 2H last round.
Surely 3H now, I'm not bust.
with a middling shapely hand?
He didn't. He's really competing.
3H not 2H last round.
Surely 3H now, I'm not bust.
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Posted 2011-November-28, 09:34
MrAce, on 2011-November-27, 18:01, said:
-We dont have fancy defense vs strong 1♣, DBL = majors NT= minors rest natural. This delayed double is take out for ♠ suit but no details were discussed.
-As i said no detail were discussed, this is not a pick up pdship but it is only a BBO pdship. So common sense is your only tool.
-1♠ explained as 5+♠ 16-21 (pretty std precision bid)
-As i said no detail were discussed, this is not a pick up pdship but it is only a BBO pdship. So common sense is your only tool.
-1♠ explained as 5+♠ 16-21 (pretty std precision bid)
In that case I guess I have to bid 3♥.
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Posted 2011-November-28, 10:27
I was the one who doubled 1♠, my pd sold out to 2♠ and we erred in defense making +1
Trinidad was impressively close, but i was a bit lighter than he predicted.
I held
x
KJxx
AQTx
Qxxx
4♥ was still cold.
Trinidad was impressively close, but i was a bit lighter than he predicted.
I held
x
KJxx
AQTx
Qxxx
4♥ was still cold.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2011-November-28, 12:44
I dont see the benefit of the 2h bid this hand look a lot closer to a 3h bid
especially since playing the hand will be almost double dummy. After I bid 3h
P will be in much better shape to know when to compete. If lho had opened
1s I would have bid 3h and I do not see any reason to bid less just because
LHO has shown at least a K more than most standard 1s openers:)
Given the bidding I have to compete to 3h but my p will not be able to raise
with their good hand because of my underbid initially.
especially since playing the hand will be almost double dummy. After I bid 3h
P will be in much better shape to know when to compete. If lho had opened
1s I would have bid 3h and I do not see any reason to bid less just because
LHO has shown at least a K more than most standard 1s openers:)
Given the bidding I have to compete to 3h but my p will not be able to raise
with their good hand because of my underbid initially.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 00:29
Just out of curiosity, since it hasnt been the topic of much discussion yet... are y'all happy with our pass over 1D on the previous round?
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Posted 2011-November-29, 04:27
Siegmund, on 2011-November-29, 00:29, said:
Just out of curiosity, since it hasnt been the topic of much discussion yet... are y'all happy with our pass over 1D on the previous round?
If I could have shown both majors, I'd have done that.
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-November-29, 08:19
Me too, and I think it's quite clear.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.
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Posted 2011-November-29, 19:26
DBL of 1♦ and NT over 1♦ works just like over 1♣
So yes he had a way to show majors.
So yes he had a way to show majors.
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Mr Ace asks "Teamgame. 1♣* =precision 16+. 1♦= negative. What would you do ?"
Guess: 3♥ = 10, Double = 9, 2N = 7, Pass = 6. 4♥ = 2.