[gwnn]

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ATxx
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Kxxx

again all NV at MP, this time LHO opens 1D.

1D-p-1H-p
1N-2C-2D-??

[MrAce]

If someone didnt steal my 3♣ card from bidding box i would not mastermind and bid it and save my energy to another board.

[ggwhiz]

3♣, fold my cards and put them in my pocket.

[cherdano]

Csaba?

[MrAce]

cherdano, on 2012-January-13, 00:23, said:

Csaba?

LoL, now u know why i asked him on the other thread, this was first and then other one came, and i know Csaba well enough that he wouldnt ask those questions if he wasnt upto something

[gwnn]

There were two problems with this hand:
-i never know what I'm supposed to do when partner bids like this since I would personally never pass then bid in a no fit auction like this.
-i missaw the vulnerability! we were unfavourable:( I told that to my partner but he thought it would have been a bad bid anyway

-800

[whereagles]

If pard is the sort of person who will have a logical reason to bid like this (i.e. might have a 4-2-2-5), then 3C is normal.

If pard is a bit of a random guy who likes to be funny, who knows? It's anyone's guess.

[fromageGB]

I voted "pass" before reading further. Surprised to see so many votes for 3♣.
I am very happy partner has managed to push them up a level, so leave it there. This is definitely not our hand, partner failed to bid 2♣ first time round, so he has probably no more than a 10 count, possibly fewer, and only 5 clubs, having failed to WJO. So we have definitely less than half the pack, and only a 9 card fit. The doubleton diamond looks bad, my spade is sat on, and I see no reason to sacrifice.

Another factor is the possible damage to partnership morale. When I make a successful push, to have a better chance at defending, and then partner goes and bids further for bad score, it really annoys me.

[fromageGB]

The decision on what to bid on this hand depends to a great extent on what you expect from a 2-level overcall initially. I see from the other poll that my 2-level overcalls are lighter than most, who may demand a 13 count if 2335 shape? If that is the case, then maybe a delayed 2♣ is only slightly weaker, or as whereagles says, a high count mild 2-suiter. In this case, a 3♣ bid would be essential, I think.

[MrAce]

I ♥ BBF.

[FrancesHinden]

fromageGB, on 2012-January-16, 06:34, said:

I voted "pass" before reading further. Surprised to see so many votes for 3♣.
I am very happy partner has managed to push them up a level, so leave it there. This is definitely not our hand, partner failed to bid 2♣ first time round, so he has probably no more than a 10 count, possibly fewer, and only 5 clubs, having failed to WJO. So we have definitely less than half the pack, and only a 9 card fit. The doubleton diamond looks bad, my spade is sat on, and I see no reason to sacrifice.

Another factor is the possible damage to partnership morale. When I make a successful push, to have a better chance at defending, and then partner goes and bids further for bad score, it really annoys me.

I also have no idea what partner has to bid like this, my partners never do it, so I would just assume he mis-sorted his hand the first time and raise.
But I don't think you can say we have 'pushed them up a level', who's to say RHO was passing 1NT anyway?

[Cthulhu D]

gwnn, on 2012-January-13, 01:35, said:

There were two problems with this hand:
-i never know what I'm supposed to do when partner bids like this since I would personally never pass then bid in a no fit auction like this.
-i missaw the vulnerability! we were unfavourable:( I told that to my partner but he thought it would have been a bad bid anyway

-800

So, as we all want to know, why DID partner bid like that?

[gwnn]

Cthulhu D, on 2012-January-18, 01:16, said:

So, as we all want to know, why DID partner bid like that?

He had xxxxx in clubs and some points. I didn't follow the play very closely. His reasoning was that "he didn't want to let them play 1NT". I asked him what would have happened if RHO passes and we go for -500 or if I have a less fitting hand and we go for -1100 on the 2-level, he said well RHO didn't pass did she?

[gnasher]

I think partner's sequence shows diamonds as well as clubs, though obviously that's inconsistent with my hand and the rest of the auction.

[bluecalm]

What could possibly the point of bidding 2C if we don't raise with this hand ?
I mean, if it was 800 at 3level opposite this hand it could easily be 1400 at 2 level opposite some random hand.