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What to bid? Is 8xxx a stopper?

#1 User is offline   Antrax 

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Posted 2012-February-15, 02:06

Matchpoints, unfaouvrable. (P)-P-1♣ (3+)
♠AQxx
♥AQ
♦KJ9
♣8xxx

1NT? 1S? pass and wait for partner to reopen?
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Posted 2012-February-15, 02:29

I would not consider 1S, both other options are valid choice imo.
If I bid 1NT and partner transfers to ♥ and then bids 2NT or 3NT (showing only 5 of them) I will choose to play the 5-2 heart fit.

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Posted 2012-February-15, 02:47

1 NT stands out. 1 ♣ did not even promisses five of them...
1 Spade would be fine with an unbalanced hand.
Pass would never occur to me. You can never ever show this hand type later if you pass now. Okay never ever is not right. If partner bids freely, you have no problem. But if he is strong enough to bid after you passed, you will have no problems anyway.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 03:11

If you can pull off a confident 1N, then bid 1N. This will make all subsequent bidding easier, and if you bid with confidence noone respects their partner's club bids enough to actually lead them (this is only half true, but you still have decent odds)
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Posted 2012-February-15, 03:14

1S for me, 8xxx is too weak, it is far different from even Txxx. They are more likely to respect the 1C opener when it is made in third seat (presumably it is a lead director if light).
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Posted 2012-February-15, 04:15

I would pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-February-15, 04:44

Since I passed, I can even tell you how it continues:
(p)-p-(1♣]-p
(1♦)-x-(2♦)

Now what?
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Posted 2012-February-15, 07:38

partner doubled as passed hand showing both majors I presume - 4♠ or 3♣ (cue) and correct any number of ♥ to ♠ look ok to me.


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Posted 2012-February-15, 11:01

1NT>1♠>pass
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Posted 2012-February-15, 12:54

1♠ for me. This is going to play badly in 1NT. They usually have clubs anyway.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 12:55

I would overcall 1S, but I don't have a strong anti-1N sentiment. I'd prefer to have a better spot than the 8, though.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 13:17

The more clubs they can run, the less likely we'll actually play in NT or that they will lead clubs. If RHO has 5 or 6 clubs, then my partner and his combine to have only 3 or 4. One of them will have a major that either they are tempted to lead, or which they can use our systems (transfers, stayman) to play in.

That being said, while I think 1N is the percentage action, I wouldn't criticize a partner who chose to do something different with this hand.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 13:44

I like 1 NT
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Posted 2012-February-15, 13:58

1nt for me. Playing transfers and stayman which could be on garbage along with TO doubles if they compete we are going to land in our chosen best contract with the exception of pard blasting 3nt on ♦ tricks when they can run 5 clubs.

If they can only run 4 we are still in with a chance.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 14:54

View Posthan, on 2012-February-15, 04:15, said:

I would pass.


I am quite surprised. I think it will be hard to describe our hand if we start with pass and we are at risk of missing a game. If we have a game it's 4S or 3N and I think 1S will be a good start in either case, and we are at serious risk of never finding it if we pass. If we have a partial, I doubt 1S will be a terrible start, it will induce partner to compete/bid.

If we were r/r I could maybe see pass since it's MP, but I think it's too pessimistic when they're white, letting them declare might be really bad. Are you just trying to avoid -200?
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Posted 2012-February-15, 15:33

View PostAntrax, on 2012-February-15, 04:44, said:

Since I passed, I can even tell you how it continues:
(p)-p-(1♣]-p
(1♦)-x-(2♦)

Now what?

How nice on this occasion. So, we bid 4S. But, that doesn't make my pass of 1C a good thing; it just makes it irrelevant this time. We don't look for something to do directly on every hand and are quite willing to pass 1m with balanced 12, 13, 14's. But, this one is too much.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 15:37

1NT for me.

Stoppers, schmoppers.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 17:55

View PostS2000magic, on 2012-February-15, 15:37, said:

1NT for me.

Stoppers, schmoppers.

ditto....As our inimitable KenRexford might say: " Stoppers are for losers " .
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Posted 2012-February-15, 17:59

Actually stoppers are to stop their winners. But this one is still a toss-up between 1S and 1N, IMO. Each is a bit flawed, but u must choose one of them because pass is doubly flawed.
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Posted 2012-February-15, 18:10

1S for me. I don't think my club 8 will be a stopper. Pass is weak.
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