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Posted 2012-March-03, 09:59



+1390 scored only 25% of the MPs when more than half the field was in 6♠ (even 6♥ and 6NT made :()
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Posted 2012-March-03, 12:12

WAS 2♥ game forcing?
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Posted 2012-March-03, 12:44

Auction looks perfectly sane to me. There's no easy way W can show his 6th spade.

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Posted 2012-March-03, 14:47

Great bidding, unlucky score.
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Posted 2012-March-03, 16:26

I believe West has shown a 6th ♠ ( either 2S or 2NT! rebid, whichever you use ) , but I'd still go with the ♣-fit .
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Posted 2012-March-03, 22:44

The play in 6♠ is awkward, we have to discover the ♣ loser (if there is one) before drawing trumps (because of the potential ♦ loser), which opens us up to a ♣ ruff. Couple that with the possibility of a 4-1 ♠ split, I think I'd rather be in the solid 6♣ with these hands, even at MPs.
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Posted 2012-March-04, 06:11

View Postinquiry, on 2012-March-03, 12:12, said:

WAS 2♥ game forcing?


yes
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Posted 2012-March-04, 06:17

Meh, MP is hard. I think your bidding was reasonable. Kx of diamonds of diamonds makes spades much better....if it was 2 small I am not even sure spades is best.
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Posted 2012-March-04, 09:47

The contract is the optimal one. Playing spades is inferior. Oh well.
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Posted 2012-March-05, 07:27

Can I blame both for not playing a relay system? :P

1♠ = 10-17, 5+ spades, unbal
... - 1NT = INV+ relay
2♥ = max, 4+ clubs, GF
... - 2♠ = relay
3♣ = 6034 or 6124
... - 3♦ = relay
4♣ = 6124, 5 controls
... - 4♦ = relay
5♣ = controls in all suits except hearts
... - 6♠ = MP?!

Seriously though, the auction looks good and on another day you are getting a top.
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Posted 2012-March-05, 11:46

View PostFluffy, on 2012-March-03, 09:59, said:



+1390 scored only 25% of the MPs when more than half the field was in 6♠ (even 6♥ and 6NT made :()


Is 2/1 not common in your area? It looks like the auction imght have gone 1s-2h-3s...6S in a natural system where 2s rebid would have been NF. If that is the case then just chalk it up to systemic randomness that they could not/did not uncover their club fit.
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Posted 2012-March-05, 11:58

in natural systems (at least outside UK I think) 1♠-2x-2♠ is forcing
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Posted 2012-March-06, 00:48

Even if it wasn't wouldn't one bid 3C? You show extras with that bid as well, save room, and show a key feature of your hand (clubs). Partner has a convenient 3D or 3H bid available over which you can bid 3S.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 04:12

View PostJLOGIC, on 2012-March-06, 00:48, said:

Even if it wasn't wouldn't one bid 3C? You show extras with that bid as well, save room, and show a key feature of your hand (clubs). Partner has a convenient 3D or 3H bid available over which you can bid 3S.


My experience of UK club players is that they are terrified of failing to show the sixth spade. I wasn't suggesting that it was good bidding.
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Posted 2012-March-06, 04:30

View Postwhereagles, on 2012-March-04, 09:47, said:

The contract is the optimal one. Playing spades is inferior. Oh well.

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