Real world game, pick up partner 10 mins before we played and my first time in that club as a vistor. We just had time to discuss basics.
Half way through evening things going OK using GBK and I picked up this hand:
♠ xx
♥ xx
♦ AQT9xxx
♣xx
(xx is worse than 8)
MP, W v W
(P) ?
When I first looked at this hand I thought I would pre-empt but I talked myself out of it, mainly because I was in 2nd seat but also because it just didn't feel right. I felt it would have been a no-brainer in 1st and 3rd seat, it was the 2nd seat that swung it.
In the bar afterwards partner reckoned I should have opened and in hindsight I agree, or do I?
Given the circumstances is this a close decision or did I over analyse the situation?
As always thanks in advance,
Simon
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Pre-empt in second seat?
#2
Posted 2012-April-25, 16:07
I think you should have opened and I don't think this is close. The 7222 distribution is a slight negative, but the strength of the ♦ suit more than compensates. As for being in 2nd position, this just makes it 50/50 whether partner or LHO is the strong hand, and one reason to be more cautious in 2nd seat as opposed to 1st is that there is a greater chance that you are pre-empting your partner. But with all your strength in your long suit and no distributional surprises for partner, he is likely to be able to make a good decision after your pre-empt as this is just the sort of hand he will imagine.
#3
Posted 2012-April-25, 16:14
If this hand were a coin, it would be uncirculated. Its not 'mint', but if you wait for the perfect preempt you might as well take the three-bids out of your bidding box.
The only scratches are the 7222, and the fact you have an Ace. Everything else is great.
The only scratches are the 7222, and the fact you have an Ace. Everything else is great.
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#4
Posted 2012-April-25, 16:34
You have about 6 tricks, so this looks like a fine 3♦ in 2nd seat. In 3rd seat, I'd be tempted to open 4♦ at these colors.
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#6
Posted 2012-April-25, 17:18
I would always pre-empt with this hand. I don't see any glaring flaw...seems more or less textbook 3♦.
3♦ = 10
2♦ = 3
4♦ = 3
pass = 1
3♦ = 10
2♦ = 3
4♦ = 3
pass = 1
#7
Posted 2012-April-25, 17:36
You outthought yourself. This is a great hand to preempt with. If you were red vs white and you opened 2 I would say fine if that is your style but it is just too conservative to not open 3 with this hand w/w, and if you didn't want to do that why wouldn't you at least open 2? Does passing really feel right?
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#8
Posted 2012-April-25, 23:26
Thanks all. Its one thing doing all the reading and theory, and I've done a lot in the past 18 months, its another seeing it in the real world.
Another lesson I learned was that if I didn't describe my hand straight away I am going to have a serious problem later. The bidding went:
(P) P (P) 1H
2C ?
At this point I knew I had really got it wrong.
But it was a good lesson and as my first partner said - I don't make the same mistake twice.
Once again, many thanks,
Simon
Another lesson I learned was that if I didn't describe my hand straight away I am going to have a serious problem later. The bidding went:
(P) P (P) 1H
2C ?
At this point I knew I had really got it wrong.
But it was a good lesson and as my first partner said - I don't make the same mistake twice.
Once again, many thanks,
Simon
#9
Posted 2012-April-25, 23:38
My rule of thumb here (not sure if it's good mine, but yeah), is what's going to happen if P bids 3NT on Kx or even Jx. Here it looks very good, you'll take 7 diamond tricks pretty easily, so he only needs to come to two outside tricks. P's probably okay even with xx, (as long as KJx isn't over you or K offside with Jxx onside).
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