[pigpenz]

after watching the vugraph saturday, there was a hand where Fred doubled 2♦ on 5 to K10xxx
and Cohen played 2♦xx+1. Would you take the chance on this hand or what conditions would you do
it under....the commentators were talking about the risk vs gain factor of being like 500 to 100, so I think
imp scale would be close to 8 : 2 in your favor.

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In a recent ACBL game it was played 47 times and no one redoubled, but upon further review it would have been the
winning move to recrank.

[Phil]

The auction where Katz redoubled was totally different than your example: KJx A8xxx AQx QJ after partner opened and rebid 1N. Katz had rebid a GF 2♦ and Fred stepped out and doubled with Ax Qxx KTxxx xxx.

[pigpenz]

Phil, on 2012-May-07, 09:20, said:

The auction where Katz redoubled was totally different than your example: KJx A8xxx AQx QJ after partner opened and rebid 1N. Katz had rebid a GF 2♦ and Fred stepped out and doubled with Ax Qxx KTxxx xxx.

but these type of problems come up alot
so do you have to have maximum values, pass, bid 2♥

back at Bridge Week in Pasadena, I believe your from the area, we had this happen several times back in the early eighties, people doubling with lousy
club holdings over stayman, after looking at what was happening, we sat for the next 3 that week and played them redoubled making....granted this was matchpoints.
partner still has some say in this say if he were 4441 or 4351 no values....but alot of times you can scramble to 8 tricks on just your high cards.
so even though 2♣ maybe not game forcing it could very well be on the way to a game forcing sequence.

[Phil]

pigpenz, on 2012-May-07, 10:07, said:

back at Bridge Week in Pasadena...we had this happen several times back in the early eighties, people doubling with lousy
club holdings over stayman

The air quality back then was lousy. I'm not surprised.

[pigpenz]

Phil, on 2012-May-07, 10:15, said:

The air quality back then was lousy. I'm not surprised.

yes the sunsets were unbelievable through the pollution
I cant believe I used to jog in that stuff there

[benlessard]

I strongly believe that we are not agressive enough with the XX to play, but AQx isnt enough.

[CSGibson]

XX is out there, in my opinion, but I am perfectly willing to pass and hope that partner can rewind.

[WellSpyder]

pigpenz, on 2012-May-07, 09:11, said:

after watching the vugraph saturday, there was a hand where Fred doubled 2♦ on 5 to K10xxx
and Cohen played 2♦xx+1.

Just noticed this - I wish my partner had seen it at the time! On Monday at the English Spring 4s there was a hand where he doubled a GF 2♦ on KJxxx and the oppo made 2♦xx+1. Not a great score at imps.... (The redoubler had Qxxx and his partner Ax.)

[JLOGIC]

These are obviously very different situations.

[WellSpyder]

JLOGIC, on 2012-May-09, 10:59, said:

These are obviously very different situations.

Sorry, I wasn't very clear on the auction - I didn't mean an opening GF 2♦. Something like:

1♣ (♣ or 11-4 Bal) - 1♥ (showing ♠)
1N (11-14 Bal, without 3♠) - 2♦ (any GF)
Now partner stepped in with a double and opened redoubled.

I'm not 100% sure of the auction referred to in the OP, but it looks like the main difference might be in which player redoubled.....

[dave_w]

WellSpyder, on 2012-May-09, 11:09, said:

Sorry, I wasn't very clear on the auction - I didn't mean an opening GF 2♦. Something like:

1♣ (♣ or 11-4 Bal) - 1♥ (showing ♠)
1N (11-14 Bal, without 3♠) - 2♦ (any GF)
Now partner stepped in with a double and opened redoubled.

I'm not 100% sure of the auction referred to in the OP, but it looks like the main difference might be in which player redoubled.....

The auction was:
1C 1H
1NT 2D*
P XX

Obviously the opponents doubled 2D between opener and responder. The difference is that the pass is neutral (ie not 3H, maybe not 4S??) and that responder here has extra HCP. When you open 1NT you are limited in HCP and when you redouble with a 3 card suit you'll need partner to have extra values to compensate - but how is he meant to know this when you could have 4 (or 5?) clubs.