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I have stolen this hand from an earlier thread and swapped the opening hand.
What I want to know is how do I evaluate this hand after the double and partner splinters 4♦?
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Posted 2012-September-06, 17:28
I have stolen this hand from an earlier thread and swapped the opening hand.
What I want to know is how do I evaluate this hand after the double and partner splinters 4♦?
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Posted 2012-September-07, 02:31
5♣, what else ?
Signing off in game is extremely pessimistic, bouncing slam is even worse because the guy with the cards is on lead, we wont benefit too often from a mislead if we are missing AK ♥. Asking aces will not tell us which ones pd has...
If pd has something like Jxxx QJxx x AKxx you dont want to play slam, if he has something like Jxxx Kxxx x AKxx slam will depend on how the dias behave, if pd has something like Jxxx Axxx x AQxx you wanna be in slam, Jxxx AQxx x KJxx you wanna be in slam, sometimes pd has 5 card spades which is vital due to T/O DBL by LHO and the fact that we need to take care of those diamonds and if so grandslam is in picture.
Signing off in game is extremely pessimistic, bouncing slam is even worse because the guy with the cards is on lead, we wont benefit too often from a mislead if we are missing AK ♥. Asking aces will not tell us which ones pd has...
If pd has something like Jxxx QJxx x AKxx you dont want to play slam, if he has something like Jxxx Kxxx x AKxx slam will depend on how the dias behave, if pd has something like Jxxx Axxx x AQxx you wanna be in slam, Jxxx AQxx x KJxx you wanna be in slam, sometimes pd has 5 card spades which is vital due to T/O DBL by LHO and the fact that we need to take care of those diamonds and if so grandslam is in picture.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 05:08
If I proceed, it would be with 5 ♣, this is easy. But- shall I?
Of course, there are too many slams which make if partner has a heart control and 5 level safety may not be 100 % but likely enough to make a try.
Of course, there are too many slams which make if partner has a heart control and 5 level safety may not be 100 % but likely enough to make a try.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 13:22
Codo, on 2012-September-07, 05:08, said:
If I proceed, it would be with 5 ♣, this is easy. But- shall I?
Of course, there are too many slams which make if partner has a heart control and 5 level safety may not be 100 % but likely enough to make a try.
Of course, there are too many slams which make if partner has a heart control and 5 level safety may not be 100 % but likely enough to make a try.
% 100 safety ? Of course not, but 5 level is probably safer than you driving to work and back everyday safely and it is not your life that you put on the line at 5 level
"Genius has its own limitations, however stupidity has no such boundaries!"
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
"It's only when a mosquito lands on your testicles that you realize there is always a way to solve problems without using violence!"
"Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objectified, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say."
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Posted 2012-September-07, 13:28
I'd also press towards slam with 5♣
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Posted 2012-September-07, 18:04
After the X I am worried about 2 hearts loosers, I have an Ace and length in the suit partner has splintered in. But as Timo said, signing off is extremely pessimistic. If I don't find any heart controls, I could still signoff and make 5. If I'm too high it woouldn't be the first, or last time.
OTOH, I drove to ♣ slam today after partner opened 1♦
Then failed to find the winning play
No other pair bid the slam.
OTOH, I drove to ♣ slam today after partner opened 1♦
Then failed to find the winning play
No other pair bid the slam.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 20:44
Would be good to know your splinter agreements: 9-11? 12-14/5? Do you promise 2nd round control or better in the unbids?
For the weaker variety, cuebidding 5♣ seems right. For the stronger variety including the side suit control agreement, 4N is plausible. We are missing only 2 Keys and partner rates to have KQ in ♥.
For the weaker variety, cuebidding 5♣ seems right. For the stronger variety including the side suit control agreement, 4N is plausible. We are missing only 2 Keys and partner rates to have KQ in ♥.
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Posted 2012-September-08, 05:16
A bit offtopic, but I prefer to use 4m bids as fit bids after double.
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