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Insanity check Diamonds and a... jump?

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Posted 2012-November-14, 17:41

All white, Cavendish:

♠Ax
♥QTxx
♦Jx
♣Kxxxx

1♦-(1♠)-X-(Pa)
4♦-(Pa)-???

What would 3♦ show? What about repeating diamonds after a cue-bid? What do you bid here? Is partner's jump total insanity or could it show 'something'?

 wyman, on 2012-May-04, 09:48, said:

Also, he rates to not have a heart void when he leads the ♥3.


 rbforster, on 2012-May-20, 21:04, said:

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Posted 2012-November-14, 17:49

A hand that really wants to play in diamonds...playing strength...forcing to game? Giving me a chance to show something interesting. Not the most common bid...but that is how I would take it if partner and I have never discussed.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:07

4♥, 6/7♦, good hand.

I'd RKC.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:25

 Hanoi5, on 2012-November-14, 17:41, said:

All white, Cavendish:

♠Ax
♥QTxx
♦Jx
♣Kxxxx

1♦-(1♠)-X-(Pa)
4♦-(Pa)-???

What would 3♦ show? What about repeating diamonds after a cue-bid? What do you bid here? Is partner's jump total insanity or could it show 'something'?


That the "???" seat was not paying attention to the bidding.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 18:45

If you have phil's agreement over 1♦-1♥-4♦ then that's what this is.

I guess Qx, AKJx, AQTxxxx, - would be a really bad hand for partner to have, but any hand with both red AKs will probably have play for slam.
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Posted 2012-November-14, 19:03

Yep, if we agree to rebid as if there had been a 1♥ response (and we do), then 4D is indeed that convention with no name. Thought I was going to have to battle that, but apparently not.

That hand suggested by Kayin801 is just barely slammish enough to be a 4♣ rebid, rather than 4D. But it is close to just 4♦.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 02:51

Hard to say without the context.

1. If you play forcing free bids, you may x with a long suit on your own. Would you double with say (Xx,XXX,JX,AKJxxx)?
2. If you play the "outfashioned" way of showing the unbid suits, 4 ♣ would be a much different hand then agua would expect- this would change the meaning of 4 ♦- but just slightly.
3. If you play any kind of semiforcing opening (Acol twos, or Benjamin or others..) 4 ♦ could never be natural.
4. If you have no semiforcing opening, parter may simply tried to show a semiforcing with diamonds?

Anyway, the most likely bid is the CWNN, so I KC for hearts.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 04:08

I play 4♦ as natural slam try and I have an easy 4♠ bid now.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 12:39

 Fluffy, on 2012-November-15, 04:08, said:

I play 4♦ as natural slam try and I have an easy 4♠ bid now.


Natural for me too but it could just be a game try. I'm accepting with 4♠. The hands Phil suggests can get wherever they belong with a spade cue instead of pre-empting pard and making them guess our black suit holdings.
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Posted 2012-November-15, 16:38

 ggwhiz, on 2012-November-15, 12:39, said:

Natural for me too but it could just be a game try


You understand that partner had 3♦ avaible right?
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Posted 2012-November-15, 17:39

Somewhat analogous poll at BridgeWinners show the "CWNN" is on in competition. Agree Neg Double = ♥. So 4♦ is CWNN.

Somewhat bemused by "CWNN" - this seems to be a very early instance for Fit Jump - though perhaps that's unacceptable for this narrow construct. We used to call it a Source of Tricks Major Raise, not knowing any better.
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