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overcalling with 4315

Poll: what bid? (28 member(s) have cast votes)

what now?

  1. pass (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. double (2 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  3. 2 spades (3 votes [10.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.71%

  4. 2NT (12 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

  5. 3 clubs (11 votes [39.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.29%

  6. other (0 votes [0.00%])

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#1 User is offline   Fluffy 

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Posted 2013-January-08, 05:11

♠AQ10x
♥Axx
♦x
♣AJ98x

all vul, IMPs, RHO deals and opens 2♥
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Posted 2013-January-08, 06:16

I think that this is a good problem because I consider 2S, 2NT and 3C all reasonable. I voted for 2NT, second choice 3C. Playing with fluffy I would probably have to pass.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2013-January-08, 06:22

3C, but maybe I will get around to be able to bid 2S.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 07:19

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-08, 05:11, said:

♠AQ10x
♥Axx
♦x
♣AJ98x

all vul, IMPs, RHO deals and opens 2♥


Good question

Personally, I am torn between Pass, 2NT, and 2♠

I wouldn't be particularly upset if partner chose any of these bids.
I suspect that I would bid 2NT and prefer pass to 3C.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 07:51

Tough. 3♣ and 2NT are both very sensible. I would probably choose the normal 3♣, although I can see how 2N can work out a lot better on some hands (we may find the 4-4 spade fit or play the better partial, limit our hand etc. On the other hand partner may upgrade his hand because of his long diamonds or get us too high). I dont consider pass, 2♠ or double.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 08:20

I'd probably bid 2NT. Not with full confidence because we might be wrongsiding the contract (partner having ♥Qx for example), but alternatives don't look much better. 2♠ runs the risk of getting a very bad trump split, passing might get us in trouble if partner reopens, and I don't like to overcall a minor at 3-level with such a crappy suit either.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 11:27

2N looks completely normal to me. It gets us to our two most common games, 3N and 4S, and is right on values. I see the extra club instead of an extra small diamond as a bonus to the playing strength, as I have a potential source of tricks now too.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 12:33

Glad to see that no one is doubling: gross.
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Posted 2013-January-08, 12:42

View Posthrothgar, on 2013-January-08, 07:19, said:

Good question

Personally, I am torn between Pass, 2NT, and 2♠

I wouldn't be particularly upset if partner chose any of these bids.
I suspect that I would bid 2NT and prefer pass to 3C.

why would you pass 3♣, most play sys on so 3♣ has 4♠ youve just lucked out can bid 3♠
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Posted 2013-January-08, 12:48

View Poststeve2005, on 2013-January-08, 12:42, said:

why would you pass 3♣, most play sys on so 3♣ has 4♠ youve just lucked out can bid 3♠


Sorry.

Should have been more clear.

I prefer passing the original 2♥ opening to making a 3♣ overcall
(Didn't realize until now that things could be misread like that)
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Posted 2013-January-08, 12:55

I'll take my chances on a 2NT O/C and note that this can still get us to 4♠ if that is right.
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Posted 2013-January-09, 04:10

I went for 2NT wich seems tolead for the best games, however it didin't work for slam purposes.

Partner had

♠Kxx
♥x
♦AK9xx
♣Qxxx

opponents stayed silent and partner bid 3NT endind the auction, I don't think he should move but maybe others disagree.

EDIT partner had only 5 diamonds
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Posted 2013-January-09, 08:00

BTW play in 6 spades looks interesting to me after a heart lead, some lines would make as the cards lay
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Posted 2013-January-09, 08:05

View PostFluffy, on 2013-January-09, 04:10, said:

I went for 2NT wich seems tolead for the best games, however it didin't work for slam purposes.

Partner had

♠Kxx
♥x
♦AK9xxx
♣Qxxx

opponents stayed silent and partner bid 3NT endind the auction, I don't think he should move but maybe others disagree.

Partner had too many cards, no wonder slam looks attractive :P
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Posted 2013-January-09, 09:48

2♠ for me, but I doubt that comes as a surprise to the old timers here.
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