[PhilKing]

dake50, on 2013-January-18, 10:01, said:

What bid asks "tell me more?" Esp. min/max, 2nd suit, extra length, good controls.
Use that advancer-taking-charge bid. You designed that into your scheme, surely.

I prefer the "tell me more" method as you suggest. I'm not convinced transfers work well after a 1M overcall. I'm toying with this scheme, which just gives up a little bit here and there, but makes all strong and invitational hands biddable.

After (1m)-1M-(pass):

1NT 8-12
2♣ 13+ no fit
2♦ fit, 9+
2M weak
2OM invitational
2NT nat GF
3m mixed raise
3om nat, inv

Youngsters may shudder at only having only two constructive raises available. 2♣ then new suit GF, 2♣ then 2NT inv. All other sequences obvious. So on this hand we would bid 2NT GF to check on hearts and give partner the option to insist on spades.

I think some Dutch pairs do something similar.

[lalldonn]

PhilKing, on 2013-January-18, 10:34, said:

I prefer the "tell me more" method as you suggest. I'm not convinced transfers work well after a 1M overcall. I'm toying with this scheme, which just gives up a little bit here and there, but makes all strong and invitational hands biddable.

After (1m)-1M-(pass):

1NT 8-12
2♣ 13+ no fit
2♦ fit, 9+
2M weak
2OM invitational
2NT nat GF
3m mixed raise
3om nat, inv

Youngsters may shudder at only having only two constructive raises available. 2♣ then new suit GF, 2♣ then 2NT inv. All other sequences obvious. So on this hand we would bid 2NT GF to check on hearts and give partner the option to insist on spades.

I think some Dutch pairs do something similar.

Am I reading it wrong or is it impossible to bid the other minor naturally ever?

[PhilKing]

lalldonn, on 2013-January-18, 11:29, said:

Am I reading it wrong or is it impossible to bid the other minor naturally ever?

om = other minor - that may be the source of confusion.

A jump in the other minor is natural and invitational
2♣ followed by bidding the minor is natural and game forcing

The hand you lose is the one that would respond 2m (natural f1) and pass partner's rebid or raise, but you can make a bent 1NT response on those against a dodgy minor opening.

[lalldonn]

I see thanks

[han]

The hand I woul lose is the non-forcing 2m bid. Seems like this bid would come up very often. I would be uncomfortable forcing to the 3-level on many hands where I would like to bid clubs.

Which Dutch pairs play this Phil?

[PhilKing]

han, on 2013-January-21, 09:45, said:

The hand I woul lose is the non-forcing 2m bid. Seems like this bid would come up very often. I would be uncomfortable forcing to the 3-level on many hands where I would like to bid clubs.

Which Dutch pairs play this Phil?

I was kind of guessing, since Jack5 uses something like this. Westra maybe? But perhaps only with his computer.