Do you find the Moysian fit? How do you bid this with your favorite partner?
#1
Posted 2013-March-03, 01:13
♠♥♠ BAD bidding may be succesful due to excellent play, but not vice versa. ♦♣♦
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#2
Posted 2013-March-03, 01:41
1♦-2♣ (GF)
2♦(5+)-3♦ (3+, no 4CM to show)
3♠-4♦
5♦
N deals:
1♣-1♦
1NT-2♣ (checkback)
2♦-3NT
In other words: no, I don't.
#4
Posted 2013-March-03, 06:50
1d-2d
2s-3s
4s
but i will probably bid as antrax
#5
Posted 2013-March-03, 11:15
1♣ - 1♦
1nt - 2♠ (game force)
2nt - 3♣ (patterning out) warns North about the short hearts.
With South to open,
Not a chance
Pard and I are congratulating each other profusely if we negotiate the auction above to 4♠.
What is baby oil made of?
#6
Posted 2013-March-03, 11:57
1D - 2NT (natural GF, may conceal 4CM in otherwise NT-oriented hand)
3S
And now it's a matter of judgment for North: partner said he was 4S-5D and afraid of one of the round suits for notrump. Will he consider the 4-3 fit even though the ruffs will happen in the long hand?
Honestly, I doubt it. (Are you sure you really want to be in 4S, if spades break 4-2 and they attack hearts? No guarantee it will make.)
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With another partner it would go
1D - 2C (11+, denies 4CM, an "inverted minor non-raise")
2S (spades stopped, not hearts) - 3D
and...well... at least we've avoided the doomed 3NT.
#7
Posted 2013-March-03, 12:02
#8
Posted 2013-March-04, 12:40
Siegmund, on 2013-March-03, 11:57, said:
(Are you sure you really want to be in 4S, if spades break 4-2 and they attack hearts? No guarantee it will make.)
Discard clubs to the 2nd and 3rd round of hearts and you'll overcome a spade 4==2 distribution without tears.
♠♥♠ BAD bidding may be succesful due to excellent play, but not vice versa. ♦♣♦
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#9
Posted 2013-March-04, 13:02
xx1943, on 2013-March-03, 01:13, said:
Ever notice whenever one sees bid and play in the Moysian that Declarer's side has at least the top 3 trump honors. How do they know that?
South deals:
1D - 2C! ( 2/1 GF )
2D ( 5+ takes priority over mentioning 4 cd Major )
..... - 3D ( 3+ cds , NO 4 cd Major )
3S ("good" Major, unbalanced, still probing for 3NT, but concern about ♥ and/or ♣)
..... - 4S ( I have a "good" 3 cds, offering a choice of games: 4S, 4NT, 5D )
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#10
Posted 2013-March-05, 03:01
xx1943, on 2013-March-03, 01:13, said:
South opening:
1♦-2nt(1)
3♠(2)-4♠(3)
p (4)
(1) 12-14/18-19 balanced without a 4crd major
(2) unbalanced natural
(3) with an expected singleton in ♥ or ♣, this is a proposal to play in the 4-3 fit
(4) can correct to 5♦ with a 6crd diamond suit
North opening:
1♣-1♦
1nt-2♠
2nt-3♣
3♦ (1) - 3nt (2)
4♠ (3) -p (4)
(1) shows the diamond fit in case S has slam interest
(2) no slam interest
(3) with the known shortness in hearts, this proposes the 4-3 fit
(4) 4♠ is one trick less than 5♦...
Both sequences are reasonable but might be judged differently at the table. In the first sequence North might bid 4♦ iso 4♠ and then you will likely end up in 5♦. In the second sequence North might show his diamond support earlier (bidding 3♦ iso 2nt), then 4♠ becomes unlikely again.
Steven
#11
Posted 2013-March-05, 03:30
xx1943, on 2013-March-04, 12:40, said:
Unless they play a 4th round of ♥ ofcourse.
#12
Posted 2013-March-05, 03:32
#13
Posted 2013-March-05, 03:33
helene_t, on 2013-March-05, 03:32, said:
How will you draw trumps? Unless partner has ♠AQ you have a problem.
#14
Posted 2013-March-05, 03:36
1♣-1♦
1NT-2♠
3♠-4♠
North opens (playing Walsh):
1♣-1♦
1NT-2♠
3♦-4♦ (or maybe 3♥?)
4♠
#15
Posted 2013-March-05, 03:38
Free, on 2013-March-05, 03:33, said:
Ah sorry, I thought you were refering to the actual hands. No, given the info that we have marginal values for game and a 4-3 fit of unknown quality, no I would be happy to be able to stop in a diamond or spade partscore.
#16
Posted 2013-March-05, 08:14
1♦ = 4+ diamonds, unbal, max 17
... - 1♥ = INV+ relay
1NT = 4+ spades, not 4+ hearts
... - 2♣ = GF relay
2♦ = min, not 3-suited
... - 2♥ = relay
2NT = 5 diamonds
Then either
... - 3♥ = stopper ask
4♣ = nat, no heart stop
... - 4♠
or
... - 3♦ = relay
3♥ = 4153
... - 4♠
If North opens then a possible auction would be:
1NT = (11)12-14
... - 2♣ = Puppet
2♦ = no 5M
... - 2♥ = asks if 4 spades
2NT = <4 spades, min
... - 3♥ = stopper ask (shortage)
3♠ = nat, denies heart stop
... - 4♠
#17
Posted 2013-March-06, 11:13
xx1943, on 2013-March-03, 01:13, said:
If North opens:
1♣-1♦
2♦-2♠
3♠-4♠ looks reasonable, 3♠ is obviously not four card support
Assuming South opens:
1♦-2NT (balanced, game-forcing, 13-15 or 18+, generally denies 4 in a major)
3♥ (singleton or void, ala Jacoby 2NT)- 3♠ (fragment, suggesting no heart stopper)
At this point South is aware that the 4-3 fit has the shortage in the wrong hand, but with 27+ hcp 4S looks better than 5D. The plan is to pitch clubs rather than ruff in the South hand.
Playing the sort of 2/1 GF common around here:
1♦-2♣
2♦-3♦
3♠-4♠, clearly only 3 given the failure to bid 2♠ last round...
#18
Posted 2013-March-06, 11:32
#19
Posted 2013-March-06, 12:16
1N 2D* (art gf)
2N 3H (shortness)
3S 4S
The totally natural auction of bidding around the shortness seems fine too.
South deals:
1D 2C
2D 3D
3S 4S
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