[deep]

5° major diamond 4°

1° Question

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Better to open 1♣ with 11 P.O. following the rule of 15 for 4° hand or not because the spades are not honored, too many losers and we are vulnerable and in duplicate imp?

2° question

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what is better bid for South? 2S or better pass because duplicated imp and vulnerable N/S?
Sistem play landy in 2° or 4° posizion

Ty at all for help me

[CamHenry]

Hand 1: I open. We have good defensive values outside our suits, can pass most anything partner bids with a positive EV, can bid 1♠ over 1♦.

Hand 2: what strength is their 1NT? What will partner have to bid? I'm tempted to pass even though we risk an unfavourable lead, because bidding seems unlikely to gain much (we might turn +50 into +110, for example, or -120 into -200: and we can't tell).

[PhilG007]

 deep, on 2013-September-12, 04:46, said:

5° major diamond 4°

1° Question

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Better to open 1♣ with 11 P.O. following the rule of 15 for 4° hand or not because the spades are not honored, too many losers and we are vulnerable and in duplicate imp?

2° question

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what is better bid for South? 2S or better pass because duplicated imp and vulnerable N/S?
Sistem play landy in 2° or 4° posizion

Ty at all for help me

Hand 1 Open 1 club. As partner has already passed,any change of suit response by him is no longer forcing. Game is out of the question so now the quest is on to find the best part score at the lowest level possible. Opening the cheapest suit will facilitate this.

[PhilG007]

 deep, on 2013-September-12, 04:46, said:

5° major diamond 4°

1° Question

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Better to open 1♣ with 11 P.O. following the rule of 15 for 4° hand or not because the spades are not honored, too many losers and we are vulnerable and in duplicate imp?


I would open 1♣ Since partner has already passed,any change of suit by him is no longer forcing. Game is out of the question
so now the task is to find the best part score at the lowest level possible. Bidding the cheapest suit will facilitate this.
2° question

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what is better bid for South? 2S or better pass because duplicated imp and vulnerable N/S?
Sistem play landy in 2° or 4° posizion

Ty at all for help me

I would bid 2♠on the South hand partly to be competitive,partly to suggest a lead to partner if opps should buy the
the hand.

[deep]

 CamHenry, on 2013-September-12, 04:50, said:

Hand 1: I open. We have good defensive values outside our suits, can pass most anything partner bids with a positive EV, can bid 1♠ over 1♦.

Hand 2: what strength is their 1NT? What will partner have to bid? I'm tempted to pass even though we risk an unfavourable lead, because bidding seems unlikely to gain much (we might turn +50 into +110, for example, or -120 into -200: and we can't tell).

1nt is open with 15 17 PO

[ggwhiz]

1. 1♣, fold your cards and put them in your pocket. My partner only responds 1♦ here at matchpoints as an extreme last resort.

2. 2♠ Not without risk but worth it. It will play well knowing where the opponents points are or will set the defence, usually when they remove to a suit contract and defending 1nt on a non spade lead could blow several tricks on a bad day. Partner has a smattering of values and you go plus or take a smaller minus with high frequency.

[VM1973]

Hand 1: Pass. With only 11 HCPs and the ♦Q of questionable worth, I see no reason to risk it.

Hand 2: I hope you're playing some system that lets you show two-suited hands. In some systems 2♠ shows spades and a minor. In Los Angeles that's often called "Hamilton" but it has another name in other places that I never remember.

[Zelandakh]

 VM1973, on 2013-September-12, 09:14, said:

In Los Angeles that's often called "Hamilton" but it has another name in other places that I never remember.

Pottage, Cappelletti and Multi-Landy are all names of (almost identical) defences that include this (and there are others too).

[Fluffy]

Hand 1: Who your opponent's are (and partner) is much more important than what hand you actually hold. If the opponents are aggressive young players with not much experience passing is a crime, but if the opponents are rock-solid former world champions you should obviously pass.

[kenberg]

I pass on hand 1. If I open, I might well have to choose a call after partner responds 1♥. I am not taking two bids on two Jack high suits and an 15 count. Perhaps that pass would work out, perhaps not. Or it might go 1♣-(1♠)-X. Yuk.

Someone once suggested to me the following variant on the 15 rule: If it's a hand that you would open in first seat but it fails the rule of 15, pass it. If it is a hand that you would not open in first seat and it passes the 15 rule, you still pass it. So, in 4th seat with a balanced hand, you open a hand that you would open in first seat and that passes the rule of 15. This seems right to me. If it isn't an opening hand, why open it in 4th seat?

As for hand 2, I would not consider coming in with it when vul. If I were nv, I would at least think about it.

I reluctantly agree with Fluffy that it matters who the opponents are, but i try to keep that thinking to a last resort minimum.

[blackshoe]

 ggwhiz, on 2013-September-12, 08:59, said:

My partner only responds 1♦ here at matchpoints as an extreme last resort.

Is he playing with your partner?

[aguahombre]

 blackshoe, on 2013-September-12, 15:08, said:

Is he playing with your partner?

Sorry, Ed. But if we don't know tendencies of the partner in the OP, we answer in the context of our own partner. I think that viewpoint is helpful on a discussion board for those who have partners similar to ours.

[blackshoe]

 VM1973, on 2013-September-12, 09:14, said:

In some systems 2♠ shows spades and a minor. In Los Angeles that's often called "Hamilton" but it has another name in other places that I never remember.

 Zelandakh, on 2013-September-12, 09:40, said:

Pottage, Cappelletti and Multi-Landy are all names of (almost identical) defences that include this (and there are others too).

Cappelletti, Hamilton, Helms, and I think Pottage all refer to the same convention, independently devised by each of these four experts. Modified Cappelletti and Helms II are also the same convention (but different from Cappelletti or Helms, of course). AFAIK, there is no analog by anyone else to Hello, which is "Helms III" if you will.

[Zelandakh]

I knew this apart from Helms, which I have never heard of. I included the "(almost identical)" in the post to account for Multi-Landy. I was wanting to avoid getting into too much convention detail (for a change).

[straube]

For hand 1 the knr is 8.75. I was guessing 9.5.

http://www.jeff-gold...872+AK7+Q4+J983

[kenberg]

 straube, on 2013-September-13, 09:42, said:

For hand 1 the knr is 8.75. I was guessing 9.5.

http://www.jeff-gold...872+AK7+Q4+J983

I know little about the ins and outs of knr. Does this mean that a follower of this approach would choose pass?
I voted pass on just general yuk grounds. For better or worse, most of my bridge decisions, and a fair number of other decisions, get made that way.
I am always interested in the more technical approaches, just not so interested that I learn them./

[cloa513]

1. Pass- anything else just lets opponents in with otherwise unsuitable hands- opponents will thank you for the plus. Most values all outside length- bad news- nothing working to full strength.
2. Pass- doubletons are overvalued in standard evaluation especially with the long suit.

[1eyedjack]

I think pass on 1 is clear for me. Contrary to other comments I don’t fancy my defensive potential. I have amassed a fair amount of experience playing `best hand South’ robot tourneys. It seems that too often when I open with bal 11 the par spot is a partscore making by opps who have distributional hands too weak to open.