[cherdano]

http://tinyurl.com/lp53mtj

[mikeh]

I suppose there may be something not disclosed, but otherwise the pass of 2♣ is flat out silly. Assuming that N could have a hand just short of a jumpshift, passing is ridiculous...just how bad can 3♣ be?

AKxxx x Qx Kxxxx and he is supposed to do what over 1N? Or, for that matter, over 3♦

Yes, it is a nice 12 count.

AKQxx x Axx Kxxx.....yes this is a nice 16 count

Now, everybody is allowed to make a mistake, no matter how good one is, and jec sure plays a lot of hands, so it makes sense that once in a while a cow flies past the moon, as happened here. I sure wouldn't want to be judged by the worst bids I've made

[ArtK78]

Deleted.

[mike777]

As a nonexpert I would say 3c by north was very well judged.

I assume that is the Q?

This sort of feels like an Al roth deal.

[the hog]

I find the pass of 2Cto be unbelievable. 3C is a weird bid as is the pass over 3C.

[JLOGIC]

seems pretty standard

[the hog]

JLOGIC, on 2014-March-09, 01:40, said:

seems pretty standard

A failure to raise to 3C is "standard"? You are kidding me!

[mfa1010]

Seems pretty weird to me.

[cherdano]

mikeh, on 2014-March-08, 21:51, said:

I suppose there may be something not disclosed, but otherwise the pass of 2♣ is flat out silly. Assuming that N could have a hand just short of a jumpshift, passing is ridiculous...just how bad can 3♣ be?

AKxxx x Qx Kxxxx and he is supposed to do what over 1N? Or, for that matter, over 3♦

Yes, it is a nice 12 count.

AKQxx x Axx Kxxx.....yes this is a nice 16 count

Now, everybody is allowed to make a mistake, no matter how good one is, and jec sure plays a lot of hands, so it makes sense that once in a while a cow flies past the moon, as happened here. I sure wouldn't want to be judged by the worst bids I've made

I am more interested in North's action. I should probably add that North has a great track record of success in JEC matches, so in no way do I want to ridicule his decisions.

[MrAce]

cherdano, on 2014-March-09, 05:47, said:

I am more interested in North's action. I should probably add that North has a great track record of success in JEC matches, so in no way do I want to ridicule his decisions.

North's action is normal imo. His pd passed 2♣ vs a possible 2 card club ( 2♣ is alerted 2+) so he is expecting JEC to hold at least 4 card clubs if not 5 or 6.

Only thing weird to me is the pass of 2♣ by south, unless 2♣ range showed less than what a standard non reverse suit shift shows.

[gszes]

I voted for well judged and I hope I was voting for the 3c bid. There
is every reason to suspect you will have decent play in 3c opposite as
little as Axxxx clubs in partners hand. I would consider the 3c bid to
be automatic.
If we are talking about the entire auction I was not happy with the
original pass after 2c (I would bid 3c) but I think the pass over 3c
was well reasoned because I would have a strong tendency to completely
down grade my dia K given the bidding. (switch my dia K to the heart K and
I would probably pipe in with 3h over the 3c bid which would be an
unmistakeable move toward 3n.

[dake50]

Only DK offside sets 4H (of course with H:QJ) so their game is quite near.
Well judged.
How close are others to a bid after 2D?
I'd even try 3H over 3C - just to cater for this case: they're jamming us.

[MrAce]

gszes, on 2014-March-09, 09:12, said:

I voted for well judged and I hope I was voting for the 3c bid. There
is every reason to suspect you will have decent play in 3c opposite as
little as Axxxx clubs in partners hand. I would consider the 3c bid to
be automatic.

How can 3♣ be "well judged" and "automatic" at the same time escapes me.

When i looked at the auction, i thought 3♣ bid was as normal as it can be. But when i read that it is called "weird" and questioned even by a very good player like Arend (Cherdano), now i am more leaning towards calling it "well judged"

Perhaps this is why MikeH missed the aimed person, just like me, whose bid was in question.

[bluecalm]

3C is automatic imo. People who don't bid that probably have little experience with artificial 2C here. Pass is almost always 6cards, 5 only with 0-1 spades or very strong suit and weak hand. In any case it's clear 3C.
As to pass after 2C a lot depends on system played. If they open 1N with 15-17 5M332 so 2C is either 12-14 5(332) or natural then pass is a bit of a gamble (partner might have 5-5 or something) but usually he is balanced as opponents aren't going wild.
I probably wouldn't pass but I don't think it's ridiculous.

[wank]

i voted for other - i didn't hear of anyone, jec excepted, who thinks north can play the game well single-dummy. bbo vugraph commentator syndrome.

[steve2005]

Only mildly familiar with Gazzilla I think 2♣ is forcing there.

What system is this? passing 2♣ seems odd with a good hand game has to be close.

not knowing what system their using but would think 3♣ or an inquiry (2♦?) are in order

[wank]

steve2005, on 2014-March-10, 16:48, said:

Only mildly familiar with Gazzilla I think 2♣ is forcing there.

playing gazilli 2♣ is forcing. not playing gazilli it's not forcing.

[mcphee]

While it would not be my choice to pass 2C I think bidding 3C is sensible, not auto.

[billw55]

mcphee, on 2014-March-11, 08:25, said:

While it would not be my choice to pass 2C I think bidding 3C is sensible, not auto.

This.

South's pass of 2♣ puzzles me also. Did he think ops would let him play there? Or is he walking the dog?

[mfa1010]

Yes, it is also the pass to 2♣ I don't understand. What more does S need for 3♣? A guarantee that pass would miss a game?