Poor judgement or bad luck?
#21
Posted 2014-March-03, 08:07
(1) West should make a call. 1♠ over 1♥ is not the worst call I have ever seen, but the suit is nothing to write home about. However, once partner bids 2♣, you have to bid spades.
(2) The double of 5♦ is very poor. Did you really expect to beat this contract more than one? If you are doubling for a one-trick set, it is not worth the risk. I would not be shocked if the contract made with an overtrick (surprised, perhaps, but not shocked - Give North x xx AJxxxxx xxx). If the contract is so bad that you are beating it more than one, you are already winning IMPs on the board. In that case, chalk it up as a lost opportunity.
(3) The diamond lead is hard to fathom.
#22
Posted 2014-March-03, 09:01
Jinksy, on 2014-March-03, 04:22, said:
The others have covered the double; my observation was about the correct line of play and how it would have been influenced by West's choices ---even with a tougher attack at tricks one and two.
As a side note, I am not as convinced as others that N/S knew what they were doing on the auction. This is biased by our own style, but nevertheless they stumbled into a pretty good 5D contract. That part might be considered bad luck since your teammates didn't get to game --or not..perhaps your counterparts' auction made it more difficult to get there.
#23
Posted 2014-March-03, 09:17
aguahombre, on 2014-March-02, 21:27, said:
♣J, overtake with ♣Q. Heart back. Are you claiming you would play the ♥A without a double? The double alerted declarer that the major suit kings were off.
#24
Posted 2014-March-03, 09:59
I would have overcalled 1♠, I think we need to test if we have a big fit in spades. I would have doubled 2♦ for takeout. I would not have doubled 5♦, because with a singleton trump, it looks too much like a huge diamond fit, and doubling is like waiving a flag that hearts are off side. I would not have lead a trump. I have only one of them, so I can't lead another later. And a trump lead might pickle partner's holding that might give an overruff if declarer misjudges.
#25
Posted 2014-March-03, 10:01
jogs, on 2014-March-03, 09:17, said:
No. I am saying that West's failure to raise Clubs and his Double of 5D would probably alert a normally sleepy Declarer that he should:
1) rise the ACE of hearts.
2) Not even worry about tapping himself by totally eliminating clubs.
3) Draw two trumps, then ruff a club.
4) exit with the heart Queen and let West donate the 11th trick.
I don't know whether I would find this line unless the opponents drew me a picture AND woke me up; West drew declarer a picture and woke him up.
This is a consequence of West taking those actions. Others have concluded he shouldn't have, and I don't need to pile onto that.
#26
Posted 2014-March-03, 10:23
aguahombre, on 2014-March-02, 21:27, said:
Is it the only possible line (stepping up with ♥A, strip minor suits partially, throw W in with a heart)? I would think that playing E for ♥K is a reasonable alternative. Without the double, of course.
#27
Posted 2014-March-03, 10:32

#28
Posted 2014-March-03, 11:54
Jinksy, on 2014-March-03, 07:42, said:
The probability of success required for bidding a vulnerable game, assuming that the result is either making or down one undoubled is 37.5% (i.e. 3/8) not 35%. But in reality, it's a little more complex than that.
Let's assume that your opposite number at the other table is faced with the exact same decision that you are but does not double. And for now, let's assume that if you do double you won't actually help declarer make his contract. So, if you double and they are down 1, you will gain 3 imps. If you're wrong and they make, you will lose 4 imps. Those are the two most likely outcomes and you need to be 57% sure of being right to gain in the long run.
But there are actually some more bad things (and good things) that can happen. If they go down 2 you will win 7 imps over your more timid opponent. That's nice. However, if they make an overtrick, you will lose 8 imps. What if they redouble? Maybe one or other of the opponents at your table was conscious of having underbid earlier (perhaps not so likely here) and is regretting that he didn't try for 6. 5DXX+1 will cost you 13 imps.
And it could be worse. If they are making an overtrick and your teammates are actually in 6D making, you were slated to win 13 by going quietly. But now, if they do redouble, you are going to lose an imp, for a swing of 14! Even if they neglect to redouble, you're still turning 13 into 9 (a net loss of 4).
#29
Posted 2014-March-03, 12:06
#30
Posted 2014-March-03, 12:24
mfa1010, on 2014-March-03, 12:06, said:
Probability=1%. Unless you lead a trump of course.
#31
Posted 2014-March-03, 12:27
helene_t, on 2014-March-03, 10:23, said:
Playing ♥A doesn't preclude playing East for ♥K. We can play ♥A, ♦K, ♦A, heart towards dummy. That line is 100% unless trumps are 3-0, and we're still well placed when West has three trumps.
It's almost impossible for East to have three trumps and ♥K. That would give West at least K98xxxx Jxxx - Jx, which is worth a preemptive overcall even if you're Fluffy's partner.
#32
Posted 2014-March-03, 17:40
#33
Posted 2014-March-03, 20:12
aguahombre, on 2014-March-03, 10:01, said:
Poor old club

HighLow21, on 2014-March-03, 12:24, said:
Haven't enough people said that it is entirely possible that they would go wrong without the double? You have behaved well of late. Don't spoil it.
#34
Posted 2014-March-03, 21:03
jogs, on 2014-March-02, 14:49, said:
Shouldn't it go down one? ♣J, overtake with ♣Q. Return the singleton heart.
Would South find a double dummy line to make this hand? Next time don't double.
IMHO, if this is how the defense starts, then declarer needs to hope that E has 7 clubs and construct an endplay on W. This appears to be the best chance to make 5D after this defense.
#35
Posted 2014-March-04, 03:53
jgillispie, on 2014-March-03, 21:03, said:
If trumps are 2-1/1-2, then declarer is 100% to get a second heart trick by leading the ♥7 up to ♥QT8x later, ruffing out their stoppers.
#36
Posted 2014-March-04, 06:51
I don’t want to compete to 4S over 4H
I don’t want to compete to 5S over 5D
My CJx doesn’t guarantee 3 level safety if they start doubling
If they play in Ds or Hs I’ll be on lead
If it’s the killer lead for 3N, I’d hope P will find it anyway – but if they bid to 3N I’ll very likely X it for a H lead anyway
#37
Posted 2014-March-04, 07:55
..I don’t want to compete to 4S over 4H
I don’t want to compete to 5S over 5D
My CJx doesn’t guarantee 3 level safety if they start doubling
If they play in Ds or Hs I’ll be on lead
If it’s the killer lead for 3N, I’d hope P will find it anyway – but if they bid to 3N I’ll very likely X it for a H lead anyway -- Jinksy
*** And my assets are HKJxxx in opponents bid suit +CJ +SK??
What AN I HOPING FOR?
Further what do I want 2S in the future on bigger/useful hands to mean?
#38
Posted 2014-March-04, 13:03
Jinksy, on 2014-March-04, 06:51, said:
I don’t want to compete to 4S over 4H
I don’t want to compete to 5S over 5D
My CJx doesn’t guarantee 3 level safety if they start doubling
If they play in Ds or Hs I’ll be on lead
If it’s the killer lead for 3N, I’d hope P will find it anyway – but if they bid to 3N I’ll very likely X it for a H lead anyway
At the point RHO bids 2D why on earth would you be thinking about competing with 4s over 4H or 5S over 5D? What gives you the impression the opponents have game? What gives you the impression it is opponents hand rather than ours? Why do you think it's OK to mastermind the auction? How about doing it the right way: Describe your hand and COOPERATE with partner and TOGETHER decide on the right way to procede.
#39
Posted 2014-March-04, 13:10
dake50, on 2014-March-04, 07:55, said:
..I don’t want to compete to 4S over 4H
I don’t want to compete to 5S over 5D
My CJx doesn’t guarantee 3 level safety if they start doubling
If they play in Ds or Hs I’ll be on lead
If it’s the killer lead for 3N, I’d hope P will find it anyway – but if they bid to 3N I’ll very likely X it for a H lead anyway -- Jinksy
*** And my assets are HKJxxx in opponents bid suit +CJ +SK??
What AN I HOPING FOR?
Further what do I want 2S in the future on bigger/useful hands to mean?
You have forgotten the early part of the auction: namely you did not overcall 1S, you passed. Therefore, 2S here cannot be a great hand with spades... if so why did you not overcall initially? 2S here clearly shows a hand that wants to compete in clubs but with an added feature: a semi decent five-card spade suit.
#40
Posted 2014-March-04, 17:08