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#1 User is offline   dickiegera 

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Posted 2014-May-10, 21:44




How many hearts do you bid?




and what follow ups when partner later bids spades or NT?
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Posted 2014-May-10, 22:56

1H. If pd bids 1S I will bid 2H, if 1NT I will bid 3H.
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Posted 2014-May-11, 01:23

I think we had another topic similar to this in the past. On that topic double jump in a major suit over take out double by pd was asked.

It is pretty common among players to play it as;

a-preemptive
b-invitational with 5 cards

I like preemptive and kinda like a picture bid, 6 card suit very weak hand. So I would bid 3♥ with this.
I would not do it with a pick up pd though.
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Posted 2014-May-12, 12:02

I might agree with the WJS idea but, since there is a pretty
good chance the hearts are not splitting favorably, I would
prefer a bit more internal solidity to my suit to make that
bid. Here it seems the safer bet is a nice simple

1H

which maintains a great deal of flexibility and if we can later
compete to show our length p will know we have a somewhat porous
suit since we failed to do a WJS right away.
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Posted 2014-May-12, 12:13

In my regular partnerships, 2♥ would be fit showing (even over a 1♣ opening)

Something like

♠ 873
♥ AQT92
♦ 7
♣ KJT3

would be prototypical

This forces me to bid 1♥ with this hand.

(Even if I wasn't playing fit jumps I'd still bid 1♥)
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Posted 2014-May-12, 12:16

View Posthrothgar, on 2014-May-12, 12:13, said:

In my regular partnerships, 2♥ would be fit showing (even over a 1♣ opening)

Something like

♠ 873
♥ AQT92
♦ 7
♣ KJT3

would be prototypical

This forces me to bid 1♥ with this hand.

(Even if I wasn't playing fit jumps I'd still bid 1♥)


Richard, pd did not open 1♣, he doubled.



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Posted 2014-May-12, 14:34

View PostMrAce, on 2014-May-12, 12:16, said:

Richard, pd did not open 1♣, he doubled.


Oops

Thanks for catching this.

Mark me down for 3♥
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Posted 2014-May-12, 15:22

I am one of those who play the 3!H bid as weak with 6 hearts. I see it described as preemptive, but I don't think of it that way: I think of it as descriptive, since I am expecting a fit and I am really helping partner to count winners. If he has, for example, AKx in hearts, he can expect 6 winners in trump and looks to see if his hand offers a play for 4 more, without expecting any help from me.

This hand is close, but I would prefer to bid 1♥, I think because of my spade holding, altho this is more a 'gut' reaction than a reasoned one.

Were partner to rebid 1N, I would bid 4♥. We would have at least 23 hcp, and the great bulk of the cards are sitting over the defensive strength, and just inviting game seems too weak.

Over 1♠, I invite via 3♥.
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Posted 2014-May-12, 21:08

View Postdickiegera, on 2014-May-10, 21:44, said:




How many hearts do you bid?




and what follow ups when partner later bids spades or NT?






This was East's hand
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Posted 2014-May-12, 21:58

View Postdickiegera, on 2014-May-12, 21:08, said:



This was East's hand

so after 1♥ he'll bid 1N (I can't imagine bidding 1♠) and I bid 4♥...which I think has decent play on the auction....how does it do?
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Posted 2014-May-13, 14:08

View Postmikeh, on 2014-May-12, 21:58, said:

so after 1♥ he'll bid 1N (I can't imagine bidding 1♠) and I bid 4♥...which I think has decent play on the auction....how does it do?





lose 2 hearts and 2 spades.

I was in 3 spades down 2
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Posted 2014-May-13, 14:15

how many hearts? why, the appropriate number of them, of course!

(1 or 2, according to your agreements)
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Posted 2014-May-14, 00:56

3H, it describes our hand perfectly
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