[lamford]

We will have to play in a strong London league against a pair whose methods are:
“Dutch Heart” (based on Max Rebattu’s “Dutch Spade”) 2/1=FG in general approach/style
Routinely open 11 hcp hands except 4333, where we do usually Pass, 1C & 1D are TRF openings in the above context
1♣ (=♦) is 3D only if 4=4=3=2 exactly, otherwise 4+D
1♥ is a “Fert” (fertiliser), i.e. a WK and ART bid
1NT is WK (11-13 hcp)
2♣ & 2♦ are both ART and virtually FG; PRE’s are more pure than typical (as 1 is available)
1/1 = 6+ or good 5 hcp or an A (may be shaded over 1♣ or 1♦)
Simple suit responses to Pass/1C/1D show 5+ length in the suit BWS 2001 in style where otherwise undefined

Any advice please?

[whereagles]

Seems like a rotation of normal methods. I don't see any clear advantage.

[PhilKing]

Over 1H (0-10 throughout Graham/Castleton)

The basic ethos is that on moderate balanced hands we should just let them try and sort things out if they can - the methods are a disaster in terms of finding a playable partscore.

Double 15+ “balanced” or some GF hands
1S opening bid
1NT clubs - sound
2C diamonds - sound
2D hearts (usually 6 or 55, let them stew if nv versus vul)
2H/S as opening, but 55 fairly sound
2NT 21-22
3any very good preempt

After transfer overcall, break to suit or 2NT is forcing for 1 round.

After X-p:
1S transfer to 1NT (5+ or 0-4 4441 or similar), then:
... 1NT 15-18 (system on) (13-16 in 4th)
... 2C 19-20 bal, then (17-18 in 4th)
...... 2D hearts
...... 2H spades
...... 2S puppet to 2NT (use to start normal auctions)
...... 2NT clubs
...... 3C diamonds (at least inv)
...... 3H+ DNE
... 2D GF (2H neg waiting, 2NT hearts)
... 2H/S Acol (rubber bridge continuations)
... 2NT 23-24 (system on) (21-22 in 4th)
... 3C+ DNE
1NT 0-4(5) bal to play opposite 19-20 bidding reverts to above:
Pass 15-20
2C 22-23 bal, then as above
2D GF etc
2M Acol 2
2C 6 card suit, constructive opposite 19-20
2D to play opposite 19-20
2H/S 6 card suit, constructive opposite 19-20

If third seat bids a suit, all actions from fourth seat are as if 1NT, so double take-out, 2 any nf and 2NT+ = transfers.

After 1H-P-1S (16+), then as for strong club defence, so X = MM, 1NT = mm.

After 1H-P-other, as per normal system. After 1H-P-P we use the same system as above, but all ranges are reduced by 2 points.

[lamford]

PhilKing, on 2014-October-15, 04:34, said:

Over 1H (0-10 throughout Graham/Castleton)

The basic ethos is that on moderate balanced hands we should just let them try and sort things out if they can - the methods are a disaster in terms of finding a playable partscore.

Double 15+ “balanced” or some GF hands
1S opening bid
1NT clubs - sound
2C diamonds - sound
2D hearts (usually 6 or 55, let them stew if nv versus vul)
2H/S as opening, but 55 fairly sound
2NT 21-22
3any very good preempt

After transfer overcall, break to suit or 2NT is forcing for 1 round.

After X-p:
1S transfer to 1NT (5+ or 0-4 4441 or similar), then:
1NT 15-18 (system on) (13-16 in 4th)
2C 19-20 bal, then (17-18 in 4th)
2D hearts
2H spades
2S puppet to 2NT (use to start normal auctions)
2NT clubs
3C diamonds (at least inv)
3H+ DNE
2D GF (2H neg waiting, 2NT hearts)
2H/S Acol (rubber bridge continuations)
2NT 23-24 (system on) (21-22 in 4th)
3C+ DNE
1NT 0-4(5) bal to play opposite 19-20 bidding reverts to above:
Pass 15-20
2C 22-23 bal, then as above
2D GF etc
2M Acol 2
2C 6 card suit, constructive opposite 19-20
2D to play opposite 19-20
2H/S 6 card suit, constructive opposite 19-20

If third seat bids a suit, all actions from fourth seat are as if 1NT, so double take-out, 2 any nf and 2NT+ = transfers.

After 1H-P-1S (16+), then as for strong club defence, so X = MM, 1NT = mm.

After 1H-P-other, as per normal system. After 1H-P-P we use the same system as above, but all ranges are reduced by 2 points.

Thanks. I will report back after we play them.

[PhilKing]

lamford, on 2014-October-15, 04:38, said:

Thanks. I will report back after we play them.

Note that you can take the defence to the table.

[PhilKing]

The formatting was lost.

I have indented parts of it now, so that it makes a bit more sense.

[Oof Arted]

Just a Thought is the competition under EBU and therefore is it a Level 4 or above competition???

[nige1]

PhilKing, on 2014-October-15, 04:34, said:

Over 1H (0-10 throughout Graham/Castleton)
The basic ethos is that on moderate balanced hands we should just let them try and sort things out if they can - the methods are a disaster in terms of finding a playable partscore.

Double 15+ "balanced" or some GF hands
1S opening bid
1NT clubs - sound
2C diamonds - sound
2D hearts (usually 6 or 55, let them stew if nv versus vul)
2H/S as opening, but 55 fairly sound
2NT 21-22
3any very good preempt

After transfer overcall, break to suit or 2NT is forcing for 1 round.

After X-p:
1S transfer to 1NT (5+ or 0-4 4441 or similar), then:
... 1NT 15-18 (system on) (13-16 in 4th)
... 2C 19-20 bal, then (17-18 in 4th)
...... 2D hearts
...... 2H spades
...... 2S puppet to 2NT (use to start normal auctions)
...... 2NT clubs
...... 3C diamonds (at least inv)
...... 3H+ DNE
... 2D GF (2H neg waiting, 2NT hearts)
... 2H/S Acol (rubber bridge continuations)
... 2NT 23-24 (system on) (21-22 in 4th)
... 3C+ DNE
1NT 0-4(5) bal to play opposite 19-20 bidding reverts to above:
Pass 15-20
2C 22-23 bal, then as above
2D GF etc
2M Acol 2
2C 6 card suit, constructive opposite 19-20
2D to play opposite 19-20
2H/S 6 card suit, constructive opposite 19-20

If third seat bids a suit, all actions from fourth seat are as if 1NT, so double take-out, 2 any nf and 2NT+ = transfers.

After 1H-P-1S (16+), then as for strong club defence, so X = MM, 1NT = mm.

After 1H-P-other, as per normal system. After 1H-P-P we use the same system as above, but all ranges are reduced by 2 points.

For what is DNE the abbreviation?

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[FrancesHinden]

DNE = Does Not Exist

[FrancesHinden]

Oof Arted, on 2014-October-15, 11:51, said:

Just a Thought is the competition under EBU and therefore is it a Level 4 or above competition???

Technically it is not an EBU-officiated league, although it is played at an affiliated club.

But in any case any event played anywhere in the EBU is allowed to set its own system regulations or lack thereof.
This isn't the only English event where HUMs are allowed.

[gnasher]

After their opening pass, obviously 1♣ is a takeout double and everything else is an overcall.
After their 1♣ and 1♦ openings, I think it's best to play double as a balancedish opening hand and a cue-bid as a traditional takeout double.

I've emailed Lamford the methods I used against the 1H opening. They're similar to Phil's, but I've provided a bit more detail.

After the transfer overcalls I think you should play step two as a Stayman-like relay for balanced hands, and 2NT as the relay suit. For example:
(1♥) 2♣:
- 2♦ = not enough for anything else
- 2♥ = balanced inv+, asking
- 2♠ = natural
- 2NT = hearts, F1
- 3♣ = natural F1

[1eyedjack]

lamford, on 2014-October-15, 04:11, said:

Any advice please?

Partner someone who looks a bit like a secretary bird?

[nige1]

FrancesHinden, on 2014-October-15, 13:02, said:

DNE = Does Not Exist

Thank you Frances. In this context I prefer
Undef = undefined
NSU No special understanding or No systemic understanding.

[gnasher]

nige1, on 2014-October-15, 20:47, said:

Thank you Frances. In this context I prefer
Undef = undefined
NSU No special understanding or No systemic understanding.

Those three all have a different meaning from "does not exist". "Does not exist" implies an agreement not to bid it, but your suggestions don't.

[mycroft]

as Gnasher says, DNE means "we have agreed not to make this call".

After 1NT-2♣, our Keri system (the original out of the book) says "Thou shalt bid 2♦", and all other calls DNE. Frankly, our discussions have boiled down to actually explaining 2♥ as either "looks like he psyched 1NT" or "looks like he just noticed his diamonds are *also* hearts". That's what DNE means.

"Undefined" means "if you bid it, partner will have to try to work it out, and you're hoping she will".
NSU means "no agreement, partner's going to follow meta-agreements" (which in my case likely will be one or more of "cue of their suit talks about stoppers when not otherwise defined", "if it's reasonable to play, it is", and "confusing bids are forcing" - hopefully not the last two :-)