[phoenix214]

Can anyone suggest any 2NT response structure that is quite natural and does not ask much from memory?(Maybe Baron)
Also?
Has anyone ever tried transfers to 2NT as GF with 4+ cards(Idea is, that you accept with 3, level 4 response is 4, level 3 other is natural with 2)?

[Free]

Not if you ask a good one...

If you're looking for natural, what's wrong with:
3♣ = 4+♣ GF
3♦ = 4+♦ GF
3♥ = 4+♥ GF
3♠ = 5+♠ GF
3NT = 4=3=3=3

I also wonder why this is posted in Non-Natural System Discussion if you're looking for something natural...

[lowerline]

phoenix214, on 2014-December-02, 13:05, said:

Can anyone suggest any 2NT response structure that is quite natural and does not ask much from memory?(Maybe Baron)
Also?
Has anyone ever tried transfers to 2NT as GF with 4+ cards(Idea is, that you accept with 3, level 4 response is 4, level 3 other is natural with 2)?

These (together with pass & 3nt) will get you very far:

• 3♣ (Puppet) Stayman
• 3♦/♥ Jacoby

Other responses are far less likely...

S.

[fromageGB]

phoenix214, on 2014-December-02, 13:05, said:

Has anyone ever tried transfers to 2NT as GF with 4+ cards(Idea is, that you accept with 3, level 4 response is 4, level 3 other is natural with 2)?

This doesn't seem to allow responder to make a non-GF bid, nor allow opener to play in his 5-3 fit major. I'd be surprised if anyone has tried it, but I think it clearly does come in the "highly unnatural" category.

[mgoetze]

fromageGB, on 2014-December-04, 05:51, said:

This doesn't seem to allow responder to make a non-GF bid,

Those are highly overrated in a 2NT response structure.

[phoenix214]

Well when i made the thread I assumed then playing puppet+jacoby is the "natural" way. Then if you look at something like 4 card major transfers, it is not that natural anymore, so figure asking if anyone has tried them.
Also im asking this because I was figuring to try and make something workable like this(The idea of this, is to make it somewhat mirror T-Walsh 1♣ responses, and make it more the same). Id assume that the idea might be a bit silly, but I am also looking to this as a math problem.
Ill try to make some vision of this over the weekend. Would be happy for some review then

[Kungsgeten]

If using 4 card transfers I would use 2C as hearts and 2D as spades. Now opener could bid the relay with one kind of hand, accept with a second and super-accept with a third.

[helene_t]

Phoenix, you have a strange way of using the word "natural". A diamond bid which doesn't show diamonds and is not a suggestion to play a diamond contract is not natural

Anyway, 3♦ showing 4+ hearts begs the question what you would use 3♣ for. Maybe Heeman could be played after 2NT:

3♣=5+ spades OR GF with a 5-card hearts OR weak with diamonds
3♦=Weak with long hearts OR GF with exactly four hearts
3♥=GF with exactly four spades

But Kungsgetens suggestion is simpler and maybe better.

[PhilKing]

If you are are thinking about 4-card transfers, I might try two under:

3♣ 4+ H, then 3D=2H 3H=3H 3S=3H max 3NT=4♥