[wanoff]

5cd majors, no alerts, favourable vul, imps, your bid ?

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[Fluffy]

What kind of hand could partner have that needs to act now and couldn't the round before?, I just don't know.
Clearly partner doesn't have minors. 2♠ is forcing so it makes no sense o prebalance. Also he had 2NT available in both rounds of bidding for clear purpose.

So lead directing seems the only plausible, but why is West passing? Maybe dealer is faking a spade reverse, but why didn't partner bid 1♠?, is he doubling with strong 4?

Its the only thing that makes sense to me, so I am passing.

[whereagles]

My feeling tells me pard probably has something like 3154, 3145, 4144, etc.

In any case he should have some cards, so yes, pass.

[ArtK78]

Check to see if everyone has the same color cards. This deck appears to have about 60 HCP.

[BillPatch]

Another plausibility is that responder has a wjs in ♠, a hopefully obsolete treatment from the original system book on Kaplan-Sheinwold, 1964. Partner could then have a TO double of ♠. KS uses strong jump shifts.

[cherdano]

whereagles, on 2015-January-24, 12:52, said:

My feeling tells me pard probably has something like 3154, 3145, 4144, etc.

In any case he should have some cards, so yes, pass.

What would a double of 1♥ have meant in your system?

[gszes]

This appears to be a delayed minor suit tox . P was kept quiet the
first round by poor power and poor distribution but now that the opps
are close to bidding game they want to try and show sacrifice material.

IMHO p has something like xx x xxxxxx QJxx or vice versa. With both
minors evenly split they had an easy 2n. We are to merely bid 2n with no
preference (letting p choose) or choose btn the minors at the appropriate
level.

Given the bidding I would go for 3n (cant be natural given the bidding so
far and asks p to choose the minor) and let the opps figure out what to do.

[Free]

This auction is similar to 1m-p-1M-p;2M-Dbl. It shows takeout for the Major with length in the minor as well. So it seems to me like partner has both minors, is short in ♠, and as a result has some length in ♥ (no U2NT, no 2m overcall). That gives him either a 1-4-4-4 or some 1-3-5-4 with short ♠. It's quite difficult to estimate his strength: we're at favorable vulnerability, so he might be suggesting a sacrifice. So I'll bid 2NT: 2 places to play, he'll bid his longest minor and we hope we won't get butchered (because the auction suggests West has a similar hand like partner but with short ♥s).

[cherdano]

Free, on 2015-January-25, 03:40, said:

This auction is similar to 1m-p-1M-p;2M-Dbl.

It's certainly not similar. For one thing, the opponents haven't announced a fit in our auction. For another, their combined strength is on average much higher.

I think 13(54) is impossible - there is no hand that could safely double now that couldn't have overcalled 2m. 1444 or 2344 might be possible - but it it's still very very dangerous, and would need to be a hand with very good playing strength. Obviously, that seems unlikely given our own strength and the opponents' bidding.

[whereagles]

cherdano, on 2015-January-24, 16:39, said:

What would a double of 1♥ have meant in your system?

Same thing, but more HCP.

[kgr]

I expect:

Me: 3=4=3=3; 12 HCP
Opener: 5=6=1=1; 11 HCP
Partner: 2=3=4=4; 12 HCP
Responder: 3=v=5=5; 5 HCP

I bid 2NT and let partner choose the minor, if I'm really confident about the above then bidding 3♣ is maybe better (gives opps less chance to double us).

[aguahombre]

kgr, on 2015-January-25, 05:49, said:

I expect:

Me: 3=4=3=3; 12 HCP
Opener: 5=6=1=1; 11 HCP
Partner: 2=3=4=4; 12 HCP
Responder: 3=v=5=5; 5 HCP

I bid 2NT and let partner choose the minor, if I'm really confident about the above then bidding 3♣ is maybe better (gives opps less chance to double us).

Interesting game you play in.

[cherdano]

I can't believe the replies in this thread.

Forcing to the 3-level on a non-fit auction where one opponent has shown a reverse with a 2344 12count, or a takeout double of hearts too week to act initially is suicidal. What's the upside?

You give them a free chance to double us for 5 down if all we have is a 4-3 fit, or on a 4-4 fit with bad splits. Otherwise, they will just go on to bid 3N or 4H as they were always going to do, and you have helped them in the play. Suggest a sacrifice at the 5-level? Just in case partner is the one with shape but forgot to make a WJO over 1♥?

[whereagles]

If your point is "this auction is impossible", well... it happened at table

[GrahamJson]

In theory partner should be short in spades and have length in hearts, something like 1543 distribution. Unfortunately that is not consistent with your own hand. Also with such a hand it would be better to pass and wait developments.

If partner is a random BBO player whose game you don't know I reckon he will have something like KJxxx in spades and is one of those who just likes to make a noise.

[Fluffy]

cherdano, on 2015-January-25, 03:53, said:

It's certainly not similar. For one thing, the opponents haven't announced a fit in our auction. For another, their combined strength is on average much higher.

I'd say the biggest difference lies in that opponents are in a forcing situation, so there is no point in forcing them to act since they are already on a force.

[PhilKing]

My guess is that at least TWO people have bid their hand incorrectly - I just can't get it to add up with just one error.

[FrancesHinden]

PhilKing, on 2015-January-25, 08:24, said:

My guess is that at least TWO people have bid their hand incorrectly - I just can't get it to add up with just one error.

I can. Partner's double is penalties (why else double a forcing bid when you can't possible have a hand that wants to act now, couldn't act over 1!H, and can't bid 2NT at either turn to call)? Partner might think a spade lead is needed to beat 3NT. Partner doesn't believe in 4-card overcalls.

I think responder has some poxy 1-count that responded for a laugh and passed 2Sx in the hope that it wouldn't end the auction.

[PhilKing]

FrancesHinden, on 2015-January-25, 08:28, said:

I can. Partner's double is penalties (why else double a forcing bid when you can't possible have a hand that wants to act now, couldn't act over 1!H, and can't bid 2NT at either turn to call)? Partner might think a spade lead is needed to beat 3NT. Partner doesn't believe in 4-card overcalls.

I think responder has some poxy 1-count that responded for a laugh and passed 2Sx in the hope that it wouldn't end the auction.

It's pretty hard to double 2♠ for penalties when you can't overcall 1♠. It might be possible if you have the hearts locked - eg AQT8x but that just doesn't stack up looking at our hand. Construction please! I can't get it to work without all 3 players bidding like maniacs.

Anyway, I agree with pass. If I bid here, it's a full house.

[fourdad]

Only a penalty X makes sense to me. Pass!

Odds are good that at least 2 of the players here will go on my "ignore" list!