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What actions do you consider? What would you call?

Poll: What calls do you consider? (27 member(s) have cast votes)

What calls do you consider?

  1. Pass (18 votes [27.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.69%

  2. Double (19 votes [29.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.23%

  3. 2Sp (7 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  4. 3Cl (21 votes [32.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 32.31%

  5. Something else (please specify) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

What call do you make?

  1. Pass (7 votes [25.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.93%

  2. Double (11 votes [40.74%])

    Percentage of vote: 40.74%

  3. 2Sp (2 votes [7.41%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.41%

  4. 3Cl (7 votes [25.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.93%

  5. Something else (please specify) (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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#1 User is offline   Cascade 

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Posted 2015-April-20, 04:04



1♣ is four plus natural in a weak no trump system.
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Posted 2015-April-20, 11:35

My answers may not apply to NZ bidding, however, depending on what I could have for my opener over there.

For me, playing K/S:
  • This isn't much more than a minimum, although the 4-6 is a bonus;
  • One of "double or pass" shows the strong NT
  • we play "they don't(*) play 2-of-a-fit undoubled", so my hand has to do something, because it's the short trump hand.
  • A little quirk: we allow "overstrength preempts in the minors" as an exception to our "1m is sound"; 3♣ here would imply that.


At other vuls, at matchpoints, I might go double "if partner converts I have extra defence, and I don't mind 3♦", but that's aiming at a really tight spot, and they might bid 3 anyway, which will be more lucrative.

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Posted 2015-April-20, 12:52

Pard could not double or bid 1S, so there seems little point in trying to introduce the spades. I think 3C looks normal, with double showing the strong NT, and 2NT showing secondary diamonds. Pass is hopeless.
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Posted 2015-April-20, 13:04

View PostCascade, on 2015-April-20, 04:04, said:


1♣ is four plus natural in a weak no trump system.
IMO Double = 10, Pass = 8, 2♠ = 7, 3♣ = 6.
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Posted 2015-April-20, 19:11

I wonder what the actors, especially those that bid 3♣ expect partner to bid 3NT on? And what action you take with a king or more better?
Wayne Burrows

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Posted 2015-April-20, 21:37

I'm with mycroft, except that I'm definitely in the "pass shows the strong NT" camp, because one always plays "pass shows I have their suit", and out of "strong NT", "clubs and a pointed suit", and "clubs and hearts", the first and the third share more similarity (as far as where you want to end up) than the second and third.

I probably double at MPs and bid 3C at IMPs.
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Posted 2015-April-21, 14:07

View PostCascade, on 2015-April-20, 19:11, said:

I wonder what the actors, especially those that bid 3♣ expect partner to bid 3NT on? And what action you take with a king or more better?

I wouldn't expect partner to bid 3NT on any hand (other than a trap pass of 1♥).

As I haven't yet decided what I'd do with the original hand, I can't tell you how adding a king would change it. But adding ♠K would make biddign 2♠ more attractive, and adding ♣QJ would make bidding 3♣ more attractive.

This post has been edited by gnasher: 2015-April-21, 14:12

... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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