[goffster]

http://tinyurl.com/pexyak8

What happened to a 3S invitational bid?

2S is hopeless.

[1eyedjack]

Why would North only invite opposite 18-19 HCP? 2S is crap I agree, but 3S would be scarcely much better.

And shouldn't 1N deny a 3rd Spade given failure to make a support redouble?

[goffster]

ah yes, failed to notice gib thinks 1N shows 18-19.

this is a bug since generally, the winner of part part score auction
is the one who bids 1N first.

[Bbradley62]

North thinks 2♠ is forcing, since (according to the description) it's unlimited in strength.

[1eyedjack]

Then presumably North's Pass over 3H is also forcing.

And presumably 1N is forcing, if it thinks it impossible for North to have a non-forcing 2S bid.

[Bbradley62]

But, a lot of this nonsense would go away if 1N rebid = 12-14. I thought we were recently told that would be implemented, but I'll have to see if I can find it.

Edit: Oh well, I guess not... It's certainly been requested enough times...

[cloa513]

Bbradley62, on 2015-May-04, 19:35, said:

But, a lot of this nonsense would go away if 1N rebid = 12-14. I thought we were recently told that would be implemented, but I'll have to see if I can find it.

Edit: Oh well, I guess not... It's certainly been requested enough times...

Why not over 1C/1D,-,1H/1SX, 1NT is 3 card support with 5 of the minor 12-14 HCP 12-15 TP so it can either bid to 2 of the major or 2 of the minor, redouble is 3 card support and 15+HCP forcing 2 of the major at least, pass is no 3 card support possibly having a penalty double for the at least the major response to double or just a poor hand. After the pass, the major responder can double with 9+HCP and 4/5 of the major.

[Bbradley62]

cloa513, on 2015-May-06, 01:41, said:

Why not over 1C/1D,-,1H/1SX, 1NT is 3 card support with 5 of the minor 12-14 HCP 12-15 TP so it can either bid to 2 of the major or 2 of the minor, redouble is 3 card support and 15+HCP forcing 2 of the major at least, pass is no 3 card support possibly having a penalty double for the at least the major response to double or just a poor hand. After the pass, the major responder can double with 9+HCP and 4/5 of the major.

I agree with goffster that I want to be able to bid 1NT to play as often and as quickly as is reasonable. This should not require using it as an artificial bid to likely be used as a stepping stone to playing 2 of a suit. It's also a KISS strategy: in a competitive auction I bid 1NT when I want to play 1NT.

[cloa513]

Bbradley62, on 2015-May-06, 19:27, said:

I agree with goffster that I want to be able to bid 1NT to play as often and as quickly as is reasonable. This should not require using it as an artificial bid to likely be used as a stepping stone to playing 2 of a suit. It's also a KISS strategy: in a competitive auction I bid 1NT when I want to play 1NT.

You are keen to play 12-14 trump versus 6-7 with a lead suggested. 12-14 NT with no information is reasonable go but not with lead information.

[1eyedjack]

cloa513, on 2015-May-07, 07:16, said:

You are keen to play 12-14 trump versus 6-7 with a lead suggested. 12-14 NT with no information is reasonable go but not with lead information.

I don't think that you would do it on all 12-14 bal, but would require a good positional guard in the suit of expected lead

[Bbradley62]

1eyedjack, on 2015-May-07, 13:12, said:

cloa513, on 2015-May-07, 07:16, said:

You are keen to play 12-14 trump versus 6-7 with a lead suggested. 12-14 NT with no information is reasonable go but not with lead information.

I don't think that you would do it on all 12-14 bal, but would require a good positional guard in the suit of expected lead

I'm with Jack. Passing is still an option, but 1NT should be to play.

[steve2005]

cloa513, on 2015-May-07, 07:16, said:

You are keen to play 12-14 trump versus 6-7 with a lead suggested. 12-14 NT with no information is reasonable go but not with lead information.

Partner is unlimted both in hcp and shape. So could save day if weak by rebidding ♠ or showing a second suit.

But Gib has to have a [hearts ]stopper to bid 1N, how is it gonna stop a running heart suit? With harsh words?

[cloa513]

Bbradley62, on 2015-May-07, 18:50, said:

I'm with Jack. Passing is still an option, but 1NT should be to play.

Now you are giving GIB an unlimited bid for 1NT rebid is it 15,16,17... HCP then how does it respond with more 6 HCP - digging your own grave.

[cloa513]

steve2005, on 2015-May-08, 15:08, said:

Partner is unlimted both in hcp and shape. So could save day if weak by rebidding ♠ or showing a second suit.

But Gib has to have a [hearts ]stopper to bid 1N, how is it gonna stop a running heart suit? With harsh words?

Your point is to disagree with me or agree or somewhere in between. This 1NT is a rebid by opener. One stopper is no guarantee by any means- just pushing yourself into a mediocre contract.

[Bbradley62]

cloa513, on 2015-May-08, 17:04, said:

Now you are giving GIB an unlimited bid for 1NT rebid is it 15,16,17... HCP then how does it respond with more 6 HCP - digging your own grave.

What? Having opened 1♣ as South, I'd rebid 1NT with 12-14 and a heart stopper. With the actual South hand, I would make a support redouble and reach 4♠, like I'm supposed to.

The main point of the post, however, is that a 1NT rebid should show less than an opening 1NT bid, not more than an opening 1NT bid. 5 people have expressed opinions here, and you are the lone dissenter.

[Bbradley62]

How is this to make the suggestion clear for the programmers?

Any time I open 1m and the auction comes back to me:

• If my partner did not pass, a 1NT rebid by me shows less than a 1NT opener
  
• If my partner did pass, a 1NT rebid by me shows more than a 1NT opener

[1eyedjack]

Bbradley62, on 2015-May-03, 22:05, said:

North thinks 2♠ is forcing, since (according to the description) it's unlimited in strength.

I hope not. I hope that it is just a case of the description being abridged.

If North cannot sign out in 2S then that effectively means that 1N is GF, and I don't think that is sensible.

[Bbradley62]

1eyedjack, on 2015-May-10, 00:29, said:

I hope not. I hope that it is just a case of the description being abridged.

If North cannot sign out in 2S then that effectively means that 1N is GF, and I don't think that is sensible.

I don't think it's sensible either, but that's the whole point of this thread. It's all a result of the 1N rebid showing more-than-1N-opening values. Although it doesn't say, it's probably just forcing to 2N.