[dickiegera]

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What is the best meaning for 3♥?
West could use 2♠,3♠ or used a support double to show spade support, also 4♥ splinter for spades
That leaves 3♥ to ask for Heart control for 3 NT

Is my thinking correct?

Thank you

[ggwhiz]

It's a 2 1/2 spade bid until further notice

[apollo1201]

I would have said GF with S fit as opener is making a free bid. In this situation, X is 3cd-support or strong w/o appropriate call. Over 1C 1H 1S, 2H could be looking for stopper as anyway opener cannot pass.

This post has been edited by apollo1201: 2015-August-23, 03:00

[SteveMoe]

GF, implies ♠ fit, and responder can bid 3N with a stop as a descriptive bid on the way.

[BillPatch]

 apollo1201, on 2015-August-22, 16:11, said:

I would have said GF with H fit as opener is making a free bid. In this situation, X is 3cd-support or strong w/o appropriate call. Over 1C 1H 1S, 2H could be looking for stopper as anyway opener cannot pass.

Wanting to show a heart fit is not a viable alternative; the opponent overcalled in hearts.

[MrAce]

 dickiegera, on 2015-August-22, 12:42, said:

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What is the best meaning for 3♥?
West could use 2♠,3♠ or used a support double to show spade support, also 4♥ splinter for spades
That leaves 3♥ to ask for Heart control for 3 NT

Is my thinking correct?

Thank you

Meaning of 3♥

a-GF ♠ fit and probably balanced since he did not splinter.
b-GF with clubs and a hand better than a hand that would just bid 3♣

Responder should act as if pd meant option B. With A pd can correct himself.

[P_Marlowe]

3H is a generic game force, it can be made with a spade fit,
but this the least likely option.
The most common hand type, would be semi bal. with 18-19HCP
without a spade stopper.

So in short: your thinking is correct.

With a spade fit, you have 2S, 3S, 4S, 4H to show one. without
a spade fit and game forcing values, what bid you can make?
In the context of support double, the 3H denies a holding of
exactly 3 spades.
In case you play good / bad 2NT in this seq. the fit option is even
less likely.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[apollo1201]

 BillPatch, on 2015-August-22, 17:03, said:

Wanting to show a heart fit is not a viable alternative; the opponent overcalled in hearts.

Thanks for spotting, I obviously meant ♠ fit (edited).

[fourdad]

 P_Marlowe, on 2015-August-23, 02:03, said:

3H is a generic game force, it can be made with a spade fit,
but this the least likely option.
The most common hand type, would be semi bal. with 18-19HCP
without a spade stopper.

So in short: your thinking is correct.

With a spade fit, you have 2S, 3S, 4S, 4H to show one. without
a spade fit and game forcing values, what bid you can make?
In the context of support double, the 3H denies a holding of
exactly 3 spades.
In case you play good / bad 2NT in this seq. the fit option is even
less likely.

With kind regards
Marlowe

It is either wester Q or it is not.
Without a prior agreement it is a crap shoot.

[lycier]

 dickiegera, on 2015-August-22, 12:42, said:

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What is the best meaning for 3♥?
West could use 2♠,3♠ or used a support double to show spade support, also 4♥ splinter for spades
That leaves 3♥ to ask for Heart control for 3 NT

Is my thinking correct?

Thank you

Hi :
Yes,your thinking is correct,no problem.
Obviously 3♥ is a cuebid - North American like to play western cuebid,European prefer eastern cuebid,your tittle is 2/1 ACBL,so very easy to know 3♥ is a western cuebid I guess.
Its exact meanings is opener has a strong hand with lack of ♠ support and wants to probe for 3nt, then partner's priority is to bid 3nt with a ♥ stopper.

[kenberg]

It might take another round before the meaning is clear.

If responded has a heart card, surely he will bid 3NT. If opener then pulls 3NT to 4S, this means that opener has first or second round control, a spade fit, and higher aspirations. At the time of the 3H bid, responder's strength is unknown so opener could well be hoping for a slam.

If responder bids 3NT and partner passes, it means he wants to play 3NT.

If responder bids 3NT and opener pulls to 4C, I am not sure just what is happening but I would advise responder to not pass this.

Of course responder will not always have a heart stop..He should make the most descriptive bid he can. After 3H I think 3S is not passable so responder can show a good spade suit by bidding it again.


If responder has both a good spade suit and a heart stop, now it gets tricky. It will be tricky even if it has been discussed. I would say it depends on how good the spade suit is, and how well he has hearts stopped. Sometimes you have to place your bet.

I see that what I am saying is at odds with the earlier suggestion that 3H shows a raise to 2 and a half spades, in which case 3S could be passed. I can see that, but undiscussed I expect another bid from opener after the 3H bid after the 3H bid, unless game has been bid. If I have a 2 and a half raise, I round up or I round down.

[lycier]

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Just now both of Smispi and JEC played very well.

[kenberg]

 lycier, on 2015-August-23, 09:47, said:

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Just now both of Smispi and JEC played very well.

That's one great hand. Eleven tricks assuming that the clubs come in. Twelve tricks as the spades lie, but the best path is not obvious (to me) just looking at NS. I really like this hand!

[dickiegera]

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These were the East /West hands

[MrAce]

 dickiegera, on 2015-August-23, 14:46, said:

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These were the East /West hands

This hand should bid 3♣ now, not 3♥.
But this hand is impossible for opener to hold for those who opens gambling 3 NT at the first place. Doing so, E would know they do not have slam (gambler can not have side ace) and would settle in 4♠

[BillPatch]

 MrAce, on 2015-August-23, 15:42, said:

This hand should bid 3♣ now, not 3♥.
But this hand is impossible for opener to hold for those who opens gambling 3 NT at the first place. Doing so, E would know they do not have slam (gambler can not have side ace) and would settle in 4♠

While the gambling NT is "standard", only about 50% of 2/1 bidders use it. While I use the convention in some partnerships, and consider its use here WTP in those pairings, impossible is a slight overstatement for the bridge world for those who use the convention.

[BillPatch]

 fourdad, on 2015-August-23, 03:56, said:

It is either wester Q or it is not.
Without a prior agreement it is a crap shoot.

It should be considered a Western Q if your pair considers itself North American. An Eastern Q if your pair considers itself European. The inscrutable oriental does not give a clue as to how they play it. (I did not read the Chinese sig for clues.)

[Vampyr]

 kenberg, on 2015-August-23, 10:24, said:

That's one great hand. Eleven tricks assuming that the clubs come in. Twelve tricks as the spades lie, but the best path is not obvious (to me) just looking at NS. I really like this hand!

Well, twelve tricks doesn't depend on the spade position only, since the squeeze is of the triple variety.

I don't really see the connection with the OP topic or hand, but I guess it is there somewhere.

[BillPatch]

 Vampyr, on 2015-August-23, 23:01, said:

Well, twelve tricks doesn't depend on the spade position only, since the squeeze is of the triple variety.

I don't really see the connection with the OP topic or hand, but I guess it is there somewhere.

Both auctions began with the sequence
1 suit(pass) 1 suit (2 level major overcall)
3 level cue in that major

A difference is that in OP the two level overcall was simple and in the new auction the overcall was a jump.

[zillahandp]

Ht contorl spade fit slam invite to accept explore further with a cue bid in minors, go slow with big hands