huge jump to slam for no reason
#1
Posted 2015-October-28, 12:06
George Carlin
#2
Posted 2015-October-28, 14:28
#3
Posted 2015-October-29, 04:50
#4
Posted 2015-October-29, 06:50
George Carlin
#5
Posted 2015-October-29, 07:43
gwnn, on 2015-October-28, 12:06, said:
I've seen it do things like this before - bid slams on the basis of total points including distributional points, when we could easily have two or more losers off the top. What's weird about this one is that the hand wasn't deemed good enough for a 2/1, so it seems to have added the distributional points only after making the first response.
London UK
#6
Posted 2015-October-29, 08:06
gwnn, on 2015-October-29, 06:50, said:
Yes - advanced
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Masterminding (pron. mstr-mnding) tr. v. - Any bid made by bridge player with which partner disagrees.
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#7
Posted 2015-October-29, 10:31
gwnn, on 2015-October-29, 06:50, said:
Hi Gwnn :
Very good.
I mean that if it is basic,I should shut up,if it is advanced,now here,please allow me to make some logical analysis and reasoning.
Now first,let's review Gib CC Notes ar below:
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HCP vs Total Points
Gib uses both old fashioned HCP (A=4, K=3, Q=2, J=1)) and "Total points" (HCP+3 for void, 2 for singleton, 1 for doubleton, but short suits containing an honor are reduced by 1 point). It will usually force to game if it thinks it has 25 Total Points between the two hands.
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Second,look at your hand.
gwnn, on 2015-October-28, 12:06, said:
Assum you really held ♠AQJx :
After you jump 2nt,your Gib partner will make reevaluation.
Your Gib partner will think you hand pattern is 5332 ,you might have 19-20TPs.
Your Gib partner have 13TPs.
Both of you have 32-33 TPs in total.
So your Gib partner can think 6♣ is reasonable logic bidding.
My conclusion is Replying to huge jump to slam for reasonable TPs evaluation.
This post has been edited by lycier: 2015-October-29, 21:55
#8
Posted 2015-October-29, 12:03
Was this caught on film? If so, I can't wait to watch your video.
-Daniel
#9
Posted 2015-October-29, 12:26
George Carlin
#10
Posted 2015-October-29, 12:29
How about Axx, KQxxx, AT, KQx? GIB will not play you to have 4 Spades since you didn't reverse, though showing the strength to do so.
#11
Posted 2015-October-29, 12:43
George Carlin
#12
Posted 2015-October-29, 21:24
iandayre, on 2015-October-29, 12:29, said:
Of course there are hands where the slam is good. But if I have that hand, I'll certainly cooperate with any slam try GIB makes here. The main issue is the ♣ quality (or lack thereof) in GIB's hand. I'd be OK (although not happy) with such a jump with x KQJxxx instead of K KT9xxx in ♠+♣. This jump to slam should have some requirement on club quality, no?
If this were an ATB, I'd give myself at least 80% of the blame, but that does not change my opinion that jumping to slam in this auction either not be allowed at all or allowed only on some very weird hands (with one or more voids, eight card suits, and the likes).
George Carlin
#13
Posted 2015-October-30, 21:04
lycier, on 2015-October-29, 10:31, said:
Both of you have 32-33 TPs in total.
So your Gib partner can think 6♣ is reasonable logic bidding.
My conclusion is Replying to huge jump to slam for reasonable TPs evaluation.
Still off A♥ and QJ♣ so pretty bad slam and something keycard would show if you can set trump.
#15
Posted 2015-October-31, 02:11
George Carlin
#16
Posted 2015-October-31, 08:10
gwnn, on 2015-October-31, 02:11, said:
Yes,yes,you are correct.
What you said just showed a weakness of Gib TPs evaluation model.
What else?
#17
Posted 2015-October-31, 08:32
George Carlin