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Sexfight, hand 6

Poll: Accept? (36 member(s) have cast votes)

Pass or raise?

  1. Pass. Clear. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. Pass. Borderline (2 votes [5.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.56%

  3. Raise. Borderline (3 votes [8.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 8.33%

  4. Raise. Clear. (30 votes [83.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 83.33%

  5. Other. (Seriously??) (1 votes [2.78%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.78%

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Posted 2016-May-04, 15:33

The hand of moderate interest between me and PhilG007 here.

Point a board, Dealer East, E/W vul


1N = 15-17

Play problem on this hand follows
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Posted 2016-May-04, 15:42

Maybe im missing something, but I think this is clear 4H
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Posted 2016-May-04, 15:47

View Postphoenix214, on 2016-May-04, 15:42, said:

Maybe im missing something, but I think this is clear 4H

LOL so why did you vote for "other"?
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

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Posted 2016-May-04, 16:29

View Post1eyedjack, on 2016-May-04, 15:33, said:

The hand of moderate interest between me and PhilG007 here.

Point a board, Dealer East, E/W vul


1N = 15-17

Play problem on this hand follows


Two bullets.
10 of Diamonds
No points wasted in the short suit.
Supporting honors

I'm bidding 4
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Posted 2016-May-04, 16:35

Can you tell us more about the sex?
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Posted 2016-May-04, 16:38

I'll try 4H.

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Posted 2016-May-04, 17:02

I have a friend who says AJ10 = 6 HCP, he probably got it from a book. It makes this very clear.
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Posted 2016-May-04, 17:22

Just to pile on, if you pass with 8 and invite only with 9, all 16 point hands are an accept!

I also just accept with 16 always anyway unless it's truly terrible.
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Posted 2016-May-04, 18:29

View Postkuhchung, on 2016-May-04, 17:22, said:

I also just accept with 16 always anyway unless it's truly terrible.

Yes I am coming to the view that especially with robots this is the long term winning way. I confess that I expected the peak of the bell curve to be centred on borderline raise.

Anyway, that was all really a sanity check. We both bid 4H, which floats. West leads 9 and dummy hits:

Point a board
1N = 15-17
2C = normal stayman
Lead C9


Let's eliminate some variables: It doesn't seem right to pile in with the A at trick 1. In fact it doesn't matter which other Club you play, East wins with the Q and returns 7, on which ....
West discards 4. A revealing start. So, whatever your plan was before playing to trick 1 has probably gone out of the window.

Any thoughts at this stage? Starting with, your target number of tricks?
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Posted 2016-May-04, 19:09

Too much to do and not enough entries to dummy to fully evaluate the south hand. I like to +1 with AJT also but that and the heart suit may require 3+ entries to dummy and those will be hard to come by after a simple 3h bid. No strong reason to stretch for game (I would raise at IMPS).
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Posted 2016-May-05, 06:12

Either the hearts are 5-0 or West is unwilling to unguard their Kx (more likely). I'd run the 10 for starters.
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Posted 2016-May-05, 06:15

View Post1eyedjack, on 2016-May-04, 18:29, said:

We both bid 4H

hmmm, interesting.
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Posted 2016-May-05, 07:34

Experienced players against GiB will probably know what is going on, I certainly don't.
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Posted 2016-May-05, 12:00

View Post661_Pete, on 2016-May-05, 06:12, said:

or West is unwilling to unguard their Kx (more likely)
Pretty close to the mark.

Normally, if I have natural trump tricks I do not try to lead for ruffs, so I expect that I would have led a Spade had I been sitting West, although to be fair to West he does not know the location of the AQ of Hearts, so he only knows that he has natural trump tricks after dummy hits, by which time of course he has already committed to the lead.

Anyway, we should perhaps suspect that something not very nice is expected in trumps after West declines to ruff, at which time I think that we should be resigned to going down and limit our losses. It is not that hard to secure one down once you give up trying to make. Both of us ended up two down, each therefore missing an opportunity to steal the board.

If you think that there is a good prospect of the other table settling in 3H then you have to play to make when in 4H. But this poll suggests that it is sensible to expect the contracts to be matched.


Point a board
1N = 15-17
2C = normal Stayman

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Posted 2016-May-05, 12:59

Was the sex fight mps or imps?
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Posted 2016-May-05, 13:10

View PostPhil, on 2016-May-05, 12:59, said:

Was the sex fight mps or imps?


2-player MP, so basically point-a-board.
Psych (pron. saik): A gross and deliberate misstatement of honour strength and/or suit length. Expressly permitted under Law 73E but forbidden contrary to that law by Acol club tourneys.

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Posted 2016-May-06, 01:40

Seeing all the hands, it's obvious that running 10 doesn't gain anything here. I'd still have done it though, it seemed the best chance of limiting the defence to one trump trick and still having enough entries to take the finesse twice and making 4...

Until someone shows us a better play...
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Posted 2016-May-06, 01:53

With the benefit of hindsight, and granted that I now know all of the hands, I think that the best shot is to win trick 2 in dummy and hook a diamond immediately. West exits with Spade or Diamond, but if the former use Spade Ace to hook another Diamond. Clear the Diamonds and cash another Spade. Then crossroads, but I think ruffing a Spade high in dummy is quite reasonable then Club Ace discarding Spade.
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Posted 2016-May-06, 16:13

I well remember this hand and I still shudder at it. Even with a combined total of 25 points,it can't be made
as the cards lie. You must lose at least 2 tricks 2tricks and at least 1 It's also made all the more difficult due to the shortage of entries to dummy. As the opponents had been silent during the bidding,I took the lead to be from either Kxx or Qxx With this in mind, I ducked the lead and East won with the queen who then immediately fired back a second club which was ruffed by West. J was returned which I took in dummy to avoid blocking the suit. I took the first finesse by leading the 10 which lost to the jack. The 10 came back which I was forced to take in hand. Now,no matter what I did I had to lose another 3 tricks to go -2. I don't think a human player would ever return a club at trick 2 What reason would there be to do so into dummy's strong AJ10 tenace? If West had indeed led from 3 to an honor,returning clubs at trick 2 would simply squash West's club honor and set up 2 further club tricks for declarer. I can only put down my defeat on this deal to a lucky lead that came off 1 time in a hundred :(
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Posted 2016-May-06, 16:17

View PostPhilG007, on 2016-May-06, 16:13, said:

I well remember this hand and I still shudder at it. Even with a combined total of 25 points,it can't be made
as the cards lie. You must lose at least 2 tricks 2tricks and at least 1 It's also difficult
due to the shortage of entries to dummy. As the opponents had been silent during the bidding,I took the lead to be from
either Kxx or Qxx With this in mind, I ducked the lead and East won with the queen then immediately fired back a second club which was
ruffed by West. J was returned which I took in dummy to avoid blocking the suit. I took the first finesse
by leading the 10 which lost to the jack. The 10 came back which I was forced to take in hand. Now,no matter what I did
I had to lose another 3 tricks to go -2. I don't think a human player would return a club at trick 2 What reason would there be to do so
into dummy's strong AJ10 tenace? I can only put down my defeat to a lucky lead that came off 1 time in a hundred :(


What happened on the other 7 boards?

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