[el mister]

How would you characterise a 3N bid here, wrt MPs, IMPs, or a BBO robot individual tournament?

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Interested if people see it as the percentage play, or a low percentage gamble?

[billw55]

3NT sounds like a huge overbid in any conditions. This is routine entry level opener, nothing to get excited about at all.

That said, the description of 3♦ is bollox. 5+ points? Is it really unlimited? That will make opener's decisions difficult.


edit: OP fixed per below. 3NT is still bad - worse, even, since responder cannot now have a good hand.

[el mister]

billw55, on 2016-June-08, 06:19, said:

3NT sounds like a huge overbid in any conditions. This is routine entry level opener, nothing to get excited about at all.

That said, the description of 3♦ is bollox. 5+ points? Is it really unlimited? That will make opener's decisions difficult.

Sry for the bolloxology Bill, the 3D bid is indeed weak, so 5-9. I'll correct the OP.

[gwnn]

No, no, no. (and I don't mean this as "three no")

https://www.youtube....h?v=lP1Xk2UcQpY

[Cyberyeti]

gwnn, on 2016-June-08, 06:43, said:

No, no, no. (and I don't mean this as "three no")

https://www.youtube....h?v=lP1Xk2UcQpY

Or in the words of frankie howerd, "nay nay thrice nay"

if partner has a middle of the road AKxxx and out , it has no play even if the diamonds run.

If he has AKxxxx and ♣ 10xxx (or xxx and they're 4-4) that's just unfortunate

[MrAce]

el mister, on 2016-June-08, 05:22, said:

How would you characterise a 3N bid here, wrt MPs, IMPs, or a BBO robot individual tournament?

Insane at MP or IMPS.

Vs Bots everything is possible, I can see myself bidding it if I am on tilt.

[Phil]

I'm having a tough time building hands where it even has a play. We would need something like

X
Xx
AKxxxx
Xxxx

But I've seen some heavy preempts from the bots and bids like 3N sometimes pay off because they do silly things like lead diamonds on this bidding. But I'll pass and try to win the tourney on another hand.

[el mister]

Phil, on 2016-June-08, 07:41, said:

I'm having a tough time building hands where it even has a play. We would need something like

X
Xx
AKxxxx
Xxxx

But I've seen some heavy preempts from the bots and bids like 3N sometimes pay off because they do silly things like lead diamonds on this bidding. But I'll pass and try to win the tourney on another hand.

The bot showed up with something similar, for a making 3N:
XX
X
AQXXX
QXXXX

So I was wondering about the bid in retrospect. Have to say I didn't think it was all that wild, so maybe I need to re-calibrate. Thanks all.

[kenberg]

If I am looking at this correctly, there are three tricks in the majors and five in diamonds if the finesse works and the suit splits 2-2. Ok, maybe they start a set up a club trick for me?

I upvoted INSANE, although I was going to say SUICIDAL. No need to fuss over exact wording.
Bridge can be fun because sometimes even the craziest contracts come in.

[billw55]

el mister, on 2016-June-08, 08:19, said:

The bot showed up with something similar, for a making 3N:
XX
X
AQXXX
QXXXX

So I was wondering about the bid in retrospect. Have to say I didn't think it was all that wild, so maybe I need to re-calibrate. Thanks all.

It looks like 3NT still needs a lot of help. Even with five tricks in diamonds (fortunate), that is only 8. Maybe an unfortunate opening lead gave you another trick? Heart is possible, but a club is unfathomable on this auction.

Anyway, not a contract you should be bidding in any normal circumstance.

[gwnn]

el mister, on 2016-June-08, 08:19, said:

So I was wondering about the bid in retrospect. Have to say I didn't think it was all that wild, so maybe I need to re-calibrate. Thanks all.

At the risk of counting HCP, we have 13 and partner has 5-9. You could optimistically assume 8-9 from the silence of the opposition, but that is still, assuming I can trust my calculations, a total of 21-22 with no known source of tricks and no guarantee of stops everywhere. Yes, it is wild.

[neilkaz]

I would only bid 3NT here if I were looking to have partner slam his cards on the table and leave after this hand.

[Caitlynne]

You have not said what 3D means - I assume it is natural, but is it weak, invitational, or strong?

If it is weak, there is no question since you have a minimum opening and you'd surely have no problem calling Pass.

If it is invitational, I think you should still have no problem calling Pass. Not only do you have a minimum (13 HCP) balanced hand, but your likely source of tricks suit - diamonds - is weak.

If the 3D bid is strong, I think 3NT is pretty clear. Your hand is balanced and, despite the weakness in the club suit, you do have an honor there and you should steer toward the 9 trick, rather than 11 trick game. This is not a hand to look for a heart Moysian fit game either; regardless, even if you bid 3H, partner is quite unlikely to raise to 4H and, instead, might bypass 3NT with concerns about the spade stopper (inasmuch as your AK make it fairly likely partner's spade holding is weak).

[nige1]

Caitlynne, on 2016-June-09, 08:26, said:

You have not said what 3D means - I assume it is natural, but is it weak, invitational, or strong? If it is weak, there is no question since you have a minimum opening and you'd surely have no problem calling Pass. If it is invitational, I think you should still have no problem calling Pass. Not only do you have a minimum (13 HCP) balanced hand, but your likely source of tricks suit - diamonds - is weak. If the 3D bid is strong, I think 3NT is pretty clear. Your hand is balanced and, despite the weakness in the club suit, you do have an honor there and you should steer toward the 9 trick, rather than 11 trick game. This is not a hand to look for a heart Moysian fit game either; regardless, even if you bid 3H, partner is quite unlikely to raise to 4H and, instead, might bypass 3NT with concerns about the spade stopper (inasmuch as your AK make it fairly likely partner's spade holding is weak).

You can click on a yellow call in the bidding diagram to reveal its meaning. Here 3♦ = "5-9 p 5+ ♦"

[msjennifer]

I would say '. 3 NT is not a very clever bid .If the session is a losing session then it is a pardonable bid'

[rmnka447]

You should pass in a flash.

[GrahamJson]

If you are not going to pass with this collection then you may as well play 3D as forcing. After all, if you don't pass when holding a flat minimum with rubbish trumps when do you?

[Winstonm]

If this is a question for you, I suggest you adopt weak NTs so partner can set the contract.

[miamijd]

In real bridge, pass, of course.

Vs the bots in an Instant Tourney, pass unless this is one of the final boards and you think you need a large positive score very badly. In that case, you can try 3NT and pray.

[forgo]

3nt gross overbid here @imps or mps..
with that said if I knew I was loosing the
match at imps and we r red 3nt is worth a shot!!