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Posted 2016-October-13, 02:01



West leads the K and switches to the 9
Plan the play.

(If you know the deal don't spoil the fun)

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Posted 2016-October-13, 02:17

In first look it looks easy as long as diamonds are not 5-1.

Win in hand, cash A, K to dummy, ruff a small
Go to dummy with 3rd and play Q and discard unless it is covered.

But this is way too simple for a Rainer problem. I must be missing something.
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Posted 2016-October-13, 02:46

View PostMrAce, on 2016-October-13, 02:17, said:

In first look it looks easy as long as diamonds are not 5-1.

Win in hand, cash A, K to dummy, ruff a small
Go to dummy with 3rd and play Q and discard unless it is covered.

But this is way too simple for a Rainer problem. I must be missing something.


Sorry,

I have to retract my problem. I played like you did.
The actual layout was



The only solution, which works is to win in dummy and play a diamond to the ace.
At trick 4 play a heart honor and when covered discard a club from dummy.

I found this solution appealing.
Unfortunately I now discovered it will not work when West is 1444.
In this case West can return a heart (not easy to see either).

Sorry
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Posted 2016-October-13, 02:54

Heh in the 2nd diagram you made South opened 1 and East is on lead.Posted Image
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Posted 2016-October-13, 03:23

View Postrhm, on 2016-October-13, 02:46, said:

At trick 4 play a heart honor and when covered discard a club from dummy.

I found this solution appealing.


When I saw the problem, I thought exactly of this line. I thought the elegant part was that West is endplayed as early as trick 5.

A small addition (probably will not matter) is that I'd retain the 2 in hand & play any other pip at trick 1.
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Posted 2016-October-13, 04:24

View Postshyams, on 2016-October-13, 03:23, said:

When I saw the problem, I thought exactly of this line. I thought the elegant part was that West is endplayed as early as trick 5.

A small addition (probably will not matter) is that I'd retain the 2 in hand & play any other pip at trick 1.


Unfortunately he is not endplayed.

What Rainer found appealing as a solution is a very bad solution IMO.
It is going down when W is 1444 as Rainer said, despite it may be hard defense to find.
But this is not why it is a very bad solution.
It is bad because you guys are going down simply when the A is on as well,Posted Image

Is it too hard to imagine West and his double with

x
AKxx
KTxx
QJxx

?

I am always making when diamonds are 4-2 or better.

While you guys are trying to cater for 5-1 ,
  • going down when they are 4-2 if they defend correctly
  • going down in half of the 5-1 as well when East has A
  • going down when they are 4-2 and without any special defense when East has A

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Posted 2016-October-13, 05:10

View PostMrAce, on 2016-October-13, 04:24, said:

Unfortunately he is not endplayed.

What Rainer found appealing as a solution is a very bad solution IMO.
It is going down when W is 1444 as Rainer said, despite it may be hard defense to find.
But this is not why it is a very bad solution.
It is bad because you guys are going down simply when the A is on as well,Posted Image

Is it too hard to imagine West and his double with

x
AKxx
KTxx
QJxx

?

I am always making when diamonds are 4-2 or better.

While you guys are trying to cater for 5-1 ,
  • going down when they are 4-2 if they defend correctly
  • going down in half of the 5-1 as well when East has A
  • going down when they are 4-2 and without any special defense when East has A


I agree the solution does not work.
But from your holding I doubt many would switch to trumps.
Attacking clubs looks normal to me.

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