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#1 User is offline   virgosrock 

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Posted 2017-November-12, 06:19

Sorry should really not post this here but so interesting and I am starting to recognize names of frequent responders/post-ers.

you hand is 5521 spades headed by ten (no 9), hearts headed by jack (no ten), rags in d and c.

righty deals and opens 1d-p-1d-p-2NT-p-3c(nmf)-4NT(rkc in c)-5h-6nt.

i'll post the full hand once i get responses.

Your lead?

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Posted 2017-November-12, 06:23

Well, I'm not leading a diamond since they both bid the suit at the one-level. I'm not leading a club since RHO has randomly asked for keycards after limiting their hand. And partner didn't double 5H for the lead, so I guess it's a spade.

Or do we get more sensible bidding to guide us?
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Posted 2017-November-12, 06:33

View Postvirgosrock, on 2017-November-12, 06:19, said:

Sorry should really not post this here but so interesting and I am starting to recognize names of frequent responders/post-ers.

you hand is 5521 spades headed by ten (no 9), hearts headed by jack (no ten), rags in d and c.

righty deals and opens 1d-p-1d-p-2NT-p-3c(nmf)-4NT(rkc in c)-5h-6nt.

i'll post the full hand once i get responses.

Your lead?

vrock

You’ll get responses once you post the auction properly.
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Posted 2017-November-12, 10:19

View Postgordontd, on 2017-November-12, 06:33, said:

You'll get responses once you post the auction properly.

1-1 second bid should be 1M which major? makes big difference.

Was the response to 3 NMF really to ask KC? This is bizarre.
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Posted 2017-November-13, 04:39

View Poststeve2005, on 2017-November-12, 10:19, said:

1-1 second bid should be 1M which major? makes big difference.

Was the response to 3 NMF really to ask KC? This is bizarre.


not sure what is not clear in the posted auction. Let's try again. We pass throughout.
1d-1s-2nt-3c(nmf)-4nt(rkc clubs per blurb)-5H-6NT

does this help?

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Posted 2017-November-13, 05:35

A bit of a wham-bam auction in which I agree with steve2005 is a little bizarre, though we have to analyse it with the information given.

Your hand is poor, so if there is a setting trick it's likely to come from partner. He had an opportunity to dbl. 6NT which I would have seen as asking for a lead. That's my interpretation. A looks wrong and I fully expect declarer to have a solid(ish) suit to bid like this. A could compromise partner's holding, so I'm going to lead a small , the unbid suit.

However, I have a gut feeling that a lead might work best as it takes away an entry from dummy if declarer has a singleton and needs that as an entry later on. When declarer runs that (assumed) suit, partner is the one who's likely to be squeezed.
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Posted 2017-November-13, 06:27

View PostThe_Badger, on 2017-November-13, 05:35, said:

A bit of a wham-bam auction in which I agree with steve2005 is a little bizarre, though we have to analyse it with the information given.

Your hand is poor, so if there is a setting trick it's likely to come from partner. He had an opportunity to dbl. 6NT which I would have seen as asking for a lead. That's my interpretation. A looks wrong and I fully expect declarer to have a solid(ish) suit to bid like this. A could compromise partner's holding, so I'm going to lead a small , the unbid suit.

However, I have a gut feeling that a lead might work best as it takes away an entry from dummy if declarer has a singleton and needs that as an entry later on. When declarer runs that (assumed) suit, partner is the one who's likely to be squeezed.


Kudos to http://www.bridgebas.../user/8688-sfi/ for leading a spade. Brilliant and after-the-fact "obvious". Badger's gut feel perfect. Perhaps gut feel is because it was posted as a problem. btw, other than a low-level NT by them, specifically 1NT actually, there is NO concept of leading dummy's first bid suit in GIBBO's abysmal Bidding World.

here is the hand in all its glory. I tend to suspect declarer is a lunatic. Another clue from the bidding is it looks like declarer was merely waiting to hear spade from dummy.


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Posted 2017-November-13, 06:59

View Postvirgosrock, on 2017-November-13, 04:39, said:

not sure what is not clear in the posted auction. Let's try again. We pass throughout.
1d-1s-2nt-3c(nmf)-4nt(rkc clubs per blurb)-5H-6NT

does this help?

It certainly helps in that it avoids the insufficient bid in the original post and lets us know which suits the opponents had bid.
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Posted 2017-November-13, 08:00

View Postgordontd, on 2017-November-13, 06:59, said:

It certainly helps in that it avoids the insufficient bid in the original post and lets us know which suits the opponents had bid.


oh! I see it now. 1d-p-1d instead of 1d-p-1s. You could have said that LOL. Us aging 2-finger typists may occasionally make these mistakes PLUS s and d are right next each other on the keyboard.

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Posted 2017-November-14, 17:09

View Postvirgosrock, on 2017-November-13, 08:00, said:

oh! I see it now. 1d-p-1d instead of 1d-p-1s. You could have said that LOL. Us aging 2-finger typists may occasionally make these mistakes PLUS s and d are right next each other on the keyboard.

vrock


These one-line auction descriptions have always confused me. I like em just the way they are in bidding box, with all the passes and S-W-N-E heading. Even though it can take a few more lines it is well worth the trouble.
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