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It is difficult for me to construct a 12-count that I would not open ... but maybe this is it ...
Opening 12 point hands
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Posted 2018-April-03, 01:33
I open all of these hands 1NT (weak - 12-14), without needing too much thought.
It is difficult for me to construct a 12-count that I would not open ... but maybe this is it ...
It is difficult for me to construct a 12-count that I would not open ... but maybe this is it ...
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Posted 2018-April-03, 14:03
PhilG007, on 2018-March-30, 14:26, said:
What are the guidelines about opening hands that total exactly 12 points?
Knowing that a passed hand can not hold 12 hcp makes life very easy for partner. Especially in decision making in a competitive auction or whether to open or not and what to open in 3rd seat.
It is hard to prove what good it makes to open with 12 hcps when you hold one. But the real good comes in hands where you start pass showing less than 12 (for me less than 11)
So for some of us, guideline for opening hands is ALL ABOUT expected/not expected values from a passed hand.
Overall i can live with a pd who does not open all 12s as long as he does not feel like he has a free pass to bid forever later once he started pass with it.
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Posted 2018-April-03, 15:52
Agree with Tramticket that you should be wary of opening (4441) 12 HCP hands, especially when you anticipate rebid problems. If opponents bid, they will usually have to overcome bad breaks in 4 suits. If you pass, opponents bid your singleton, and you decide to compete, then a take-out double accurately describes your strength and shape.
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Posted 2018-April-04, 14:14
1) ♠Axxx ♥Axx ♦Axx ♣xxx
significantly better than
4)♠A10x♥K109x ♦QJxx♣Qx
better than
3) ♠ QJx ♥QJ10 ♦Axxx ♣Q10x
significantly better than
2) ♠Kxxx ♥Kxxx ♦KQx ♣Jx
better than
5)♠ KQx♥KQx ♦Jxxx♣J10x
what you open depends on what your minimum requirements are.
However, opening the first one is obvious and no good modern player would pass 4 and 3
3 and 5 are worth more at a notrump contract than at a suit contract.
2 and 5 are not really worth 12 points and should be downgraded.
Why some believe 2) to be a good hand in context escapes me.
The difference between 1) and 5) amounts to about 2 HCP
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significantly better than
4)♠A10x♥K109x ♦QJxx♣Qx
better than
3) ♠ QJx ♥QJ10 ♦Axxx ♣Q10x
significantly better than
2) ♠Kxxx ♥Kxxx ♦KQx ♣Jx
better than
5)♠ KQx♥KQx ♦Jxxx♣J10x
what you open depends on what your minimum requirements are.
However, opening the first one is obvious and no good modern player would pass 4 and 3
3 and 5 are worth more at a notrump contract than at a suit contract.
2 and 5 are not really worth 12 points and should be downgraded.
Why some believe 2) to be a good hand in context escapes me.
The difference between 1) and 5) amounts to about 2 HCP
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Posted 2018-April-04, 21:51
My evaluation of the hands:
1) ♠Axxx ♥Axx ♦Axx ♣xxx
Good 13, always open
2) ♠Kxxx ♥Kxxx ♦KQx ♣Jx
Average 11, always open for some and open NV for other
3) ♠ QJx ♥QJ10 ♦Axxx ♣Q10x
A little lower than average 12, always open
4) ♠ A10x ♥K109x ♦QJxx ♣Qx
Fairly good 12, always open
5) ♠ KQx ♥KQx ♦Jxxx ♣J10x
Bad 11, open NV for some and not open for other
Pretty close to Rainer's conclusion but I think the difference between 1) and 5) is closer to 3 count than 2.
1) ♠Axxx ♥Axx ♦Axx ♣xxx
Good 13, always open
2) ♠Kxxx ♥Kxxx ♦KQx ♣Jx
Average 11, always open for some and open NV for other
3) ♠ QJx ♥QJ10 ♦Axxx ♣Q10x
A little lower than average 12, always open
4) ♠ A10x ♥K109x ♦QJxx ♣Qx
Fairly good 12, always open
5) ♠ KQx ♥KQx ♦Jxxx ♣J10x
Bad 11, open NV for some and not open for other
Pretty close to Rainer's conclusion but I think the difference between 1) and 5) is closer to 3 count than 2.