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Posted 2022-January-31, 10:23

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I could understand a human misreading the clubs as longer than the diamonds (ten written 10 rather than T), but I would expect a robot to bid 2NT here. Instead it bid 2.
Is this about needing a 'better than intermediate' hand because vulnerable (see below), or simulations with partner being a passed hand, or what?
I can see the diamonds failing a quality check, but there are plenty of redeeming features with decent chances in a simulation I would expect.
On the actual layout, EW missed 5 making in a 9-card fit.


GIB System Notes said:

Unusual NT (when non-vulnerable GIB only does Unusual NT with intermediate hands, xx-KQxxxx KQxxx for example, but it needs a better hand when vulnerable)

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Posted 2022-January-31, 13:32

Yes, it bids 2NT with that hand when non-vulnerable, but requires 15 total points when vulnerable (eg add the king of hearts).

If you swap the queen of clubs with the queen of diamonds it'll overcall 2; it seems with weak hands it bids its better minor. But add the queen of hearts and it'll bid 2.

(Also, if the opponents compete to 2 it'll reverse into 3 with those weak hands, lol, so that's clearly a bug rather than a 'I'm only planning to bid one suit when weak'.)
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Posted 2022-January-31, 13:52

View Postsmerriman, on 2022-January-31, 13:32, said:

Yes, it bids 2NT with that hand when non-vulnerable, but requires 15 total points when vulnerable (eg add the king of hearts).

If you swap the queen of clubs with the queen of diamonds it'll overcall 2; it seems with weak hands it bids its better minor. But add the queen of hearts and it'll bid 2.

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View Postsmerriman, on 2022-January-31, 13:32, said:

(Also, if the opponents compete to 2 it'll reverse into 3 with those weak hands, lol, so that's clearly a bug rather than a 'I'm only planning to bid one suit when weak'.)

If the plan is to bid only one suit, then stronger minor rather than the natural diamonds makes some sense: but in that case, stick to it (and I'm not convinced it was the best plan here in any case).
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Posted 2022-January-31, 18:21

View Postsmerriman, on 2022-January-31, 13:32, said:

Yes, it bids 2NT with that hand when non-vulnerable, but requires 15 total points when vulnerable (eg add the king of hearts).

If you swap the queen of clubs with the queen of diamonds it'll overcall 2; it seems with weak hands it bids its better minor. But add the queen of hearts and it'll bid 2.

(Also, if the opponents compete to 2 it'll reverse into 3 with those weak hands, lol, so that's clearly a bug rather than a 'I'm only planning to bid one suit when weak'.)

Makes you wonder what the programmer was thinking when this "logic" was implemented.
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Posted 2022-February-01, 13:27

too many weird things with GIB when it comes to competition. Even when raising
a bid by partner even as a passed hand sometimes the explanation might say 14 plus hcp....so
there is no mandatory competion raise with Gib.
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