[mike777]

Lol

I was taught Bergen raises still on by UPH, FJ by PH so at the table I would have bid 3D.

But that is far, far from club standard.
I have met no one in my state who plays that, 😃😃

[jillybean]

Partner had exactly the same auction until the 3rd round when he did introduce hearts

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[Huibertus]

jillybean, on 2025-October-01, 17:07, said:

Oh, "Mike Lawrence says..." I have just the partner for you.
There are some hands that I will make 4 card overcall but partner will expect 5. I do play 1m (1M) X denies 4oM with one partner.

Sent my partner a message Fit Jump? The reply was 'don't like FJ' so I have sent him the hand,


My simple 2NT would be an offer to play, 4 card limit raise is used here but not club std

You don't offer to play 2NT in competition. Playing 2 NT is almost never the right place.

[Huibertus]

jillybean, on 2025-October-01, 21:04, said:

Partner had exactly the same auction until the 3rd round when he did introduce hearts

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Well if that turned out ok (not too high, not too low) after playing 5 or 6, it is called extreme luck, if the same happened after an immediate 3♥ it's called well done.

[mw64ahw]

2N with 4-card support would be a stretch (only 8hcp here) bid for me opposite what could be a minimum or even light overcall on current trends. I have some partners who would bid a 3♠ barrage and one where 3♥ would fill the gap between 2N and 3♠ and then leave it to partner to place the contract. I'd also expect 2♦ with some pick-up partners which sounds like the case here. So I could end up with a fairly random outcome.

[jillybean]

Huibertus, on 2025-October-01, 23:09, said:

You don't offer to play 2NT in competition. Playing 2 NT is almost never the right place.

Perhaps so, what I was saying is that we don't have an agreement about 2nt here so it would be to play.

Huibertus, on 2025-October-01, 23:13, said:

Well if that turned out ok (not too high, not too low) after playing 5 or 6, it is called extreme luck, if the same happened after an immediate 3♥ it's called well done.

The auction wouldn't end in 5H. What would be extreme luck is if one of us rolled out a 3♥ FJ and partner understood it, we don't play FJ

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-October-02, 06:19, said:

The auction wouldn't end in 5H. What would be extreme luck is if one of us rolled out a 3♥ FJ and partner understood it, we don't play FJ

If I rolled out 3♥ and partner didn't understand it even without the agreement to play them, I'd be staggered. It's pretty much the only thing it can be on this particular auction.

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-October-02, 07:24, said:

If I rolled out 3♥ and partner didn't understand it even without the agreement to play them, I'd be staggered. It's pretty much the only thing it can be on this particular auction.

I think 3♥ is just the sort of bid to cause the inexperienced freeze and pass, my regular partners are smart enough to work it out.

[Cyberyeti]

jillybean, on 2025-October-02, 08:44, said:

I think 3♥ is just the sort of bid to cause the inexperienced freeze and pass, my regular partners are smart enough to work it out.

Exactly, I pretty much never play with anybody who wouldn't work this out

[jillybean]

Cyberyeti, on 2025-October-02, 15:57, said:

Exactly, I pretty much never play with anybody who wouldn't work this out

That's a shame, then they may never work it out.
It would be great if more experts shared their knowledge with the newbies.

[DavidKok]

Please stop focusing on the shiny fitbid gadget and focus on the numerous inaccuracies instead. I regret presenting the answer, it's being treated like a get-out-of-jail-free card. "We do not play fitbids, so we are pardoned for everything else."

[mycroft]

Meta-agreement #1: "Confusing bids are forcing." It's the only way to stop the "freeze and pass" mentality. Even if they get confused on a "to play" bid and you get a hopeless result (which you can talk about later), it will be paid back manyfold by all the times "I have no idea what that means..." doesn't lead to playing your 3-1 fit.