3 options competing at high level
#1
Posted 2005-September-16, 12:34
when you have ♥Q ♥Qx ♦QJxxx ♣QJTxx, and the bidding goes:
1♠ 2♥(your pd) 4♠ ??
Now what's your choice?
#2
Posted 2005-September-16, 12:41
Phil
#3
Posted 2005-September-16, 12:41
#4
Posted 2005-September-16, 12:54
#5
Posted 2005-September-16, 12:54
Far from clear but here is my best guess:
FTL=13-3-1=9 tricks for the opp.
13=total tricks, minus 3= estimated combined two shortest suits, minus one=assume 18 working hcp.
FTL=13-3-0 =10 tricks for us.
13=total tricks, minus 3 =combined two shortest suits, minus zero=assume 19 working hcp.
btw while double will often end the auction partner may bid again with very unusual hand.
btw2, if they do not make doubled contracts sometimes, I am not doubling enough .
#6 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:00
#7
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:06
#8
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:13
Jlall, on Sep 16 2005, 02:00 PM, said:
100% spot on. If pard has the hand he needs to make 5 of a minor (or H for that matter) a viable option, he will act.
ps There is a reason why that first Queen has a black heart....lol
#9 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:15
#10
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:15
inquiry, on Sep 16 2005, 02:06 PM, said:
Not sure what you mean by this but if double means:
pass if we are beating this or bid if we are making or have a good sacrifice then double seems to be winning bid for the postmortem in the bar .
#11
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:31
mike777, on Sep 16 2005, 03:15 PM, said:
inquiry, on Sep 16 2005, 02:06 PM, said:
Not sure what you mean by this but if double means:
pass if we are beating this or bid if we are making or have a good sacrifice then double seems to be winning bid for the postmortem in the bar .
No when I double, without suit agreement, it never means.. pass partner.. it is for takeout.... Partner passes at his own risk.... but remember my BID with this hand was PASS .. .
#12
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:34
#13
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:35
BTW how would you bid if you held Axx Kxxx KQJxx x after a similar start?
And the hands were
x
AQJxxx
Axx
xxx
KQxxx Jxxx
xx x
xx xxx
AQxx KJxxx
Would 4N be two suited takeout or keycard?
#14
Posted 2005-September-16, 13:41
#15
Posted 2005-September-16, 14:13
- hrothgar
#16
Posted 2005-September-16, 14:21
Al_U_Card, on Sep 16 2005, 02:41 PM, said:
I must have missed something
You hold Axx of ♠ and the opps have opened 1♠ and raised to 4♠ preemptively and we are counting this holding as 2 losers?
And we hold Kxxx in a suit in which our partner has made a vulnerable 2/1 overcall, and this is also 2 losers?
I would take the example hand I gave (Axx Kxxx KQJxx x) as a 2 or 3 loser hand.
And I am morally certain that had I posted this as a problem after (1♠) 2♥ (4♠) ? I would have seen a lot of 4N answers, many of which would be saying 'wtp?'
#17 Guest_Jlall_*
Posted 2005-September-16, 14:22
In competitive auctions usually blackwood is of a lower priority.
#18
Posted 2005-September-16, 14:30
#19
Posted 2005-September-16, 14:31
mikeh, on Sep 16 2005, 02:35 PM, said:
BTW how would you bid if you held Axx Kxxx KQJxx x after a similar start?
And the hands were
x
AQJxxx
Axx
xxx
KQxxx Jxxx
xx x
xx xxx
AQxx KJxxx
Would 4N be two suited takeout or keycard?
Must admit I would have just blasted to 6h with that example hand.
13-2+1
13 total tricks, estimated minus 2=combined 2 shortest suits, plus one=estimated 24 working hcp.
Feel much more comfortable with my guess on this one then my choice over 4s on originial post:).
#20
Posted 2005-September-16, 14:38
I like your solution: 4N (ostensibly minors) followed by 5♥ to show a strong 5♥ bid. You are still probably missing slam on the hand I gave, but at least you have made a try.