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Second pos, vul vs not, weak 2

#1 User is offline   plaur 

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Posted 2007-September-19, 15:36

(p) ?

Vul vs not. RHO passes. Playing standard, weak two's. How do you rate
2♥ ?
pass ?
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Posted 2007-September-19, 15:50

Textbook weak 2 for me.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 15:54

Prefer to have a partnership agreement for wk two bids.
Whatever works for you is fine, I prefer the old 4-3-2 style which means
6 playing tricks at unfav
5 playing tricks at equal
4 playing tricks at fav vul.

That means a clear pass with this hand.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 16:00

2♥ here but I admit that this sometimes irritates partner at these colors.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 16:08

Pass here, but I admit that this sometimes irritates partner at these colors.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 16:08

plaur, on Sep 19 2007, 04:36 PM, said:

(p) ?

Vul vs not. RHO passes. Playing standard, weak two's. How do you rate
2♥ ?
pass ?

When I'm playing Precision, this is a clear 2♥ bid.

When I'm playing SAYC, it's however my partner wants to play it. In most cases, that would be a pass.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 16:20

Why is this not a textbook weak 2? I have 6 hearts to 3 of the top 5 honors. I don't even have a 4 card major or any voids, if you're into that kind of stuff.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 16:55

goobers, on Sep 19 2007, 05:20 PM, said:

Why is this not a textbook weak 2? I have 6 hearts to 3 of the top 5 honors. I don't even have a 4 card major or any voids, if you're into that kind of stuff.

Because you lack the necessary playing strength to make this bid.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 17:14

The rules taught to beginners about what makes a weak 2 bid show this hand to be perfect. It is only with experience that players should learn it is clearly wrong in this seat/vul due to lack of playing strength.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 17:38

So if you were 6331 instead, would you bid it?
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Posted 2007-September-19, 18:04

Well, the suit is textbook; the rest of the hand does suck.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 18:06

me as b/i player i learned weak 2 bid should have a bit of strength in one of the other 3 suits(like an ace or a king xx or a void).
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Posted 2007-September-19, 18:39

goobers, on Sep 19 2007, 06:38 PM, said:

So if you were 6331 instead, would you bid it?

Yes, but not even then if the ten of hearts was the deuce. That's how close it is for me.
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Posted 2007-September-19, 18:53

jocdelevat, on Sep 19 2007, 06:06 PM, said:

me as b/i player i learned weak 2 bid should have a bit of strength in one of the other 3 suits(like an ace or a king xx or a void).

That seems a little odd to me. KQJTxx xxx xxx x is a weak two at any form of scoring, vulnerability, state-of-the-match (could be a higher preempt at favorable).
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