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r/r imps. 1N p 3N to you. It is a knockout match against an evenly matched team, you know if the auction goes the same at the other table your counterpart will not double (she is their client). You know your opps and your teammates play the same NT range. You know RHO is a pro.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:08
I will double, asking partner to lead worse major. Double has more ways to win than to lose. Of course sometimes you'll be punished.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:08
For an Obcessive Compulsive Doubler like me, this is a WTP.
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:11
Incidently, I'd never take the same seat as my opponents client, but leave it to a weaker player, like partner. 
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Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
Do not underestimate the power of the dark side. Or the ninth trumph.
Best Regards Ole Berg
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We should always assume 2/1 unless otherwise stated, because:
- If the original poster didn't bother to state his system, that means that he thinks it's obvious what he's playing. The only people who think this are 2/1 players.
Gnasher
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:12
I would certainly double. I hope this is not because I'm over-eager to use conventions.
... and I can prove it with my usual, flawless logic.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:18
Light it up.
Loses when partner has no 4th round diamond stopper
Gains (a lot) when partner would make a disaster lead (very likely looking at our hand) and we could otherwise beat them
In theory this is correct. In practice this action never seems to work for me as advertised.
Loses when partner has no 4th round diamond stopper
Gains (a lot) when partner would make a disaster lead (very likely looking at our hand) and we could otherwise beat them
In theory this is correct. In practice this action never seems to work for me as advertised.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:24
Whenever I am thinking about making a penalty double of their game, I just ask myself what would jdonn do???
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:25
You, let them redouble.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 15:29
rogerclee, on Aug 18 2008, 04:24 PM, said:
Whenever I am thinking about making a penalty double of their game, I just ask myself what would jdonn do???
Lol did you like when you doubled some game yesterday and she asked me if that promised her suit, and I kinda just started laughing?
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Posted 2008-August-18, 16:23
Double. I'll never get a heart lead otherwise.
This could be a bloodbath.
This could be a bloodbath.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 16:45
Agree with Dbl. They might have 9 top tricks, but them's the risks. It's worth it if you knock the vuln game. Without a dbl, pard is almost certainly making a lead that will help declarer.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 16:52
I guess it depends on my agreements about double. As I've discussed this with Phil (it would definitely mean lead your shorter major), I would double. With someone whom I haven't discussed it, I'd be more hesitant, but still think double would be our best shot at a set, so double it is.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 17:04
pclayton, on Aug 18 2008, 05:23 PM, said:
Double. I'll never get a heart lead otherwise.
This could be a bloodbath.
This could be a bloodbath.
I agree, I'm just not sure for which side.
But I still double. Maybe one day I'll learn. Certainly partner is most likely to lead a spade without it, and that won't be very helpful to us.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 18:07
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I'll never get a heart lead otherwise.
I disagree.
I think double is a mistake.
If RHO has a strongish balanced hand than partner is broke and will be able to find the h lead all by himself, unless hes got something like 3H and Qx of clubs. If RHO has a long running D suit (likely imo) than X is just too dangerous.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-August-18, 19:17
Something not yet mentioned is that the pot odds are pretty good. Let's assume -630 from the other
table (of course if the normal defense beats this it's hard to see how double can hurt unless partner leads the wrong short suit).
No double -> push
Double (and no redouble)
10 tricks -> lose 8
9 tricks -> lose 3
8 tricks -> win 13
7 tricks -> win 15 (I admit this is a rare outcome)
Double and redouble
10 tricks -> (-1400) lose 13
9 tricks -> (-1000) lose 8
8 tricks -> (+400) win 14
7 tricks -> (+1000) win 17
Of course you need to assign probabilities to these outcomes and you really need the implied odds factoring RHOs ability to redouble with various hands but you only need to go from never beating it to beating it a little less than half the time even if RHO only redoubles when it's correct to do so.
Finally, in a Swiss match you might need better odds on the beat because match length and the VP table both favor frequency of gain over size of gain.
table (of course if the normal defense beats this it's hard to see how double can hurt unless partner leads the wrong short suit).
No double -> push
Double (and no redouble)
10 tricks -> lose 8
9 tricks -> lose 3
8 tricks -> win 13
7 tricks -> win 15 (I admit this is a rare outcome)
Double and redouble
10 tricks -> (-1400) lose 13
9 tricks -> (-1000) lose 8
8 tricks -> (+400) win 14
7 tricks -> (+1000) win 17
Of course you need to assign probabilities to these outcomes and you really need the implied odds factoring RHOs ability to redouble with various hands but you only need to go from never beating it to beating it a little less than half the time even if RHO only redoubles when it's correct to do so.
Finally, in a Swiss match you might need better odds on the beat because match length and the VP table both favor frequency of gain over size of gain.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 19:28
At IMPs double is automatic for me here.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 19:34
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Double and redouble
10 tricks -> (-1400) lose 13
9 tricks -> (-1000) lose 8
8 tricks -> (+400) win 14
7 tricks -> (+1000) win 17
10 tricks -> (-1400) lose 13
9 tricks -> (-1000) lose 8
8 tricks -> (+400) win 14
7 tricks -> (+1000) win 17
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
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Posted 2008-August-18, 19:43
If we have a clear agreement that double asks partner to lead his weaker major I double. Pass otherwise.
It does seem very likely that without a heart lead 3NT will make easily, so doubling means we beat 3NT whenever it can be beaten. I think beating 3NT will be a lot more common than RHO having 6 or 7 diamonds and successfully redoubling.
It does seem very likely that without a heart lead 3NT will make easily, so doubling means we beat 3NT whenever it can be beaten. I think beating 3NT will be a lot more common than RHO having 6 or 7 diamonds and successfully redoubling.
That's impossible. No one can give more than one hundred percent. By definition that is the most anyone can give.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 19:59
benlessard, on Aug 18 2008, 08:34 PM, said:
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Double and redouble
10 tricks -> (-1400) lose 13
9 tricks -> (-1000) lose 8
8 tricks -> (+400) win 14
7 tricks -> (+1000) win 17
10 tricks -> (-1400) lose 13
9 tricks -> (-1000) lose 8
8 tricks -> (+400) win 14
7 tricks -> (+1000) win 17
I'd need to be at the table to decide, but I would definitely not auto-pull.
Note that the redouble is going to gain 5 IMPs in my scenario when right and cost 1 or 2 IMPs in my scenario when wrong. Therefore in theory RHO should almost always redouble, and we should almost always leave it in since the redouble doesn't give us much new information about RHOs hand. In my experience very few people would auto redouble on an odds basis, so I would consider pulling if I got a read.
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Posted 2008-August-18, 20:25
My average of overtricks when i XX a lightner 3Nt is something close to 2 overtricks. So with a 5-5 is strongly suggest you to run.
From Psych "I mean, Gus and I never see eye-to-eye on work stuff.
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."
For instance, he doesn't like being used as a human shield when we're being shot at.
I happen to think it's a very noble way to meet one's maker, especially for a guy like him.
Bottom line is we never let that difference of opinion interfere with anything."