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You're playing teams-of-eight. What do you call and why?
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Bid over a pre-empt
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Posted 2011-October-11, 02:12
You're playing teams-of-eight. What do you call and why?
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Posted 2011-October-11, 03:11
Pass, the upside (10xxx, xxx, AKQx, xx) is not sufficiently likely in a passed hand to compensate for the times where bidding is just turning a plus into a minus (or a small minus into a big minus). Qxxx, Jxxx, Kxx, xx for example. I would add that some of the hands that might be an upside for most of you won't for me, partner would have opened KQ10xx, Qxxx, K10x, x.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 05:42
Opponents compete a lot these days, and you can't lie down if you want to win, therefore 3NT for me.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 06:04
I have an obvious double, not sure what the other posters are thinking about.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 11:12
Fluffy, on 2011-October-11, 06:04, said:
I have an obvious double, not sure what the other posters are thinking about.
When I voted for 3NT, I was thinking about where I wanted to play opposite KQxxx Qxx xxx xx
... that would still not be conclusive proof, before someone wants to explain that to me as well as if I was a 5 year-old. - gwnn
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Posted 2011-October-11, 11:13
Fluffy, on 2011-October-11, 06:04, said:
I have an obvious double, not sure what the other posters are thinking about.
Playing my own methods, I know partner will have already bid on a good percentage of the hands where I want to be in this auction (5 card weak 2s even at this vul and light 1 openers). Do I want to be in 3M on a 4-3 fit with suits likely not to split well and combined 23 count which is where I'm likely to end up on average. All I'm probably doing is converting plus 50-100 to minus 100-200 with the faint chance I'm either making game or dialling 1100.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 11:29
Cyberyeti, on 2011-October-11, 11:13, said:
Playing my own methods, I know partner will have already bid on a good percentage of the hands where I want to be in this auction (5 card weak 2s even at this vul and light 1 openers).
Or, not playing your methods, my partner might balance with one of those hands your partner would have opened. So, both of us would choose to pass, and we might still both be wrong; but we agree.
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Posted 2011-October-11, 14:23
Fluffy, on 2011-October-11, 06:04, said:
I have an obvious double, not sure what the other posters are thinking about.
Just from interest. You double and pard says 3S, and now from you?
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Posted 2011-October-17, 12:19
3 NT
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Posted 2011-October-17, 14:21
AlexJonson, on 2011-October-11, 14:23, said:
Just from interest. You double and pard says 3S, and now from you?
We have a contract
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Posted 2011-October-17, 14:37
AlexJonson, on 2011-October-11, 14:23, said:
Just from interest. You double and pard says 3S, and now from you?
Fluffy, on 2011-October-17, 14:21, said:
We have a contract
Yes, 3S will be the contract, maybe even doubled. To double then pull 3S to 3NT with the given hand seems suicidal when partner's range is zero to eight and we have no trick source.
Other problems with the double occur when partner has a maximum pass and gets us to both the wrong strain and the wrong level.
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Posted 2011-October-17, 18:05
Pass for me also opposite a passed partner.
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VixTD asks "You're playing teams-of-eight. What do you call and why?"
IMO Double = 10, 3♦ = 9, 3N = 8, Pass = 5,
3N is brave when you can't hold up in ♣, with slow tricks, and opposite a passed partner. 3♦ seems mis-descriptive with a knave-high suit. Pass seems pusillanimous. I agree with Fluffy: Double is middle of the road.