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Uninteresting Hand opportunity to wear your Acol cap

#1 User is offline   Zelandakh 

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Posted 2012-September-06, 08:37

This is a hand I found interesting but probably is not really. Am interested what others would have done given the system in play (Acol) and the start (double as support), neither of which are particularly standard for BBF. I suspect it may well be a wtp answer for almost everyone but nonetheless...


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Posted 2012-September-06, 09:30

Opening 1 in Acol doesn't actually tell me all I need to know. With a 4m4M strong no trump do you open minor or major ?

Also would have bid 3N showing 3334/3343 over 1, so I would be playing 3N on a spade lead I guess unless partner removed it.

Also what is 3 here, if it's "I stop the spades but not the diamonds" then fine, and is X cards/takeout/pens for you which would be another possibility.
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Posted 2012-September-06, 10:02

The following could mean:
3NT = stop(s) in and
3S = stop(s) in , not
3H = stop(s) in , not

Sooo, 3S is my choice.
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Posted 2012-September-06, 10:16

View PostTWO4BRIDGE, on 2012-September-06, 10:02, said:

The following could mean:
3NT = stop(s) in and
3S = stop(s) in , not
3H = stop(s) in , not

Sooo, 3S is my choice.

I might revise the 3H bid to show stoppers in neither and use a double for a Diamond stop.

We don't play a 4cM system; but if we did, and used support doubles rather than negative doubles over 1s ---this hand would be working out very nicely. 3S=enough for game with a stopper there ---having already shown 3 hearts. The rest of the auction, I can sit back and enjoy.
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Posted 2012-September-06, 10:35

I want to suggest a different meaning for our double of 3D, and I'd like to use it.
Please note: I am interested in boring, bog standard, 2/1.

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Posted 2012-September-06, 14:45

View Postaguahombre, on 2012-September-06, 10:16, said:

I might revise the 3H bid to show stoppers in neither and use a double for a Diamond stop.

I think I like this revision too.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 02:33

View PostCyberyeti, on 2012-September-06, 09:30, said:

Opening 1 in Acol doesn't actually tell me all I need to know. With a 4m4M strong no trump do you open minor or major ?

Also would have bid 3N showing 3334/3343 over 1, so I would be playing 3N on a spade lead I guess unless partner removed it.

Also what is 3 here, if it's "I stop the spades but not the diamonds" then fine, and is X cards/takeout/pens for you which would be another possibility.

The major is opened with 4M4m(32) and 15+hcp. A 3NT response is definitely a possibility. 3 over 3 for us would have been asking for (not showing) a spade stopper, effectively treated as fourth suit forcing. Double would have been penalty, not necessarily based on a stack. 3 is not really defined - logical would be a hand without a diamond stop (but no guarantees partner will have the same logic). Naturally these loose agreements are not optimal which is one good reason for not mentioning them at the top. I am more interested what others would do here - defend, look for a diamond stop, blast 3NT, something else. Perhaps a side question would be what changes might be made to the hand before choosing the second best option - or perhaps it is a wtp and there is no second option.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 05:22

If I have listend to the bidding correctly, partner is balanced, so is my hand. That leaves two non fitting two suiters for the opponents. But I would still take my money in 3 NT not in defence.
Without any scientific approach, I would just blast 3 NT.

Else I would bid 3 , in my world this askes for a stopper in diamonds. As much as I like the idea to rebid 1 NT as 11-13 (14) without a stopper in their major, I would not to do so with a strong NT.
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Posted 2012-September-07, 05:26

I wonder how many tricks the opponents could actually make with a maximum of 12 HCP. Can we not penX this?

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Posted 2012-September-08, 05:19

QJx is an awful holding for defending diamonds, but with such a powerhouse we might be able to draw all trumps before declarer can ruff one or reach dummy to play towards his king.
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Posted 2012-September-08, 11:14

I'd just double and lead a trump (whatever suit turns out to be trumps)
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