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Precision: open 1C or 1S precision opening

#1 User is offline   lorserker 

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Posted 2013-August-08, 00:48

Playing precision, do you open 1♣ or 1♠ with the following hand?



If you decide to open 1♠ and partner responds 1NT(forcing), what would you rebid?
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Posted 2013-August-08, 01:19

1S followed by 3S.
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Posted 2013-August-08, 01:46

Really normal 1♠: you admittedly have 16 HCP if you give full value to an aceless hand with a stiff king and an isolated jack. 1♠ followed by a 3♠ rebid is perfect: 14-15 HCP and a good six card spade suit.
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Posted 2013-August-08, 10:34

I like 1♠-1N, 2N where 2N is GI with 6 spades. This bid lets partner mention hearts or diamonds and also lets him counter-invite in spades with 3C (we reserve 3C artificially for this invite). The hand has 16 hcps but a lot of flaws.

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Posted 2013-August-09, 04:24

I would open 1♣ because I don't like to downgrade when I have ♠s, but I don't have strong feelings about it.
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Posted 2013-August-09, 10:50

1♠ followed by 3♠ -- the stiff K tips the balance. Change K♦ to K♣ and there are no qualms opening 1♣.

On an unrelated note, IMO, limited openings are better served by a semi-forcing NT, but I digress.
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Posted 2013-August-09, 21:35

Open 1♠, only 3 controls and 6 losers, rebid 2♠, you need partner to have a limit raise on singleton ♣ and two cover cards for game.
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Posted 2013-August-09, 22:22

I definitely open 1♠ and rebid 2NT, it would show this hand and 2NT might be the place to play.
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Posted 2013-August-09, 22:42

1♣. I don't really downgrade much out of a precision club, and I don't think this hand is the one to do it with a nice 6 card spade suit.
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Posted 2013-August-09, 23:05

I think 1♠ then 3♠ is best but don't hate a strong ♣. I'd be more likely to do the strong club with hearts instead of spades (although maybe this is backwords as opponents are more likely to mess with me with them having spades than hearts).
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Posted 2013-August-10, 04:01

I would never consider 1♣.
Not sure whether this hand qualifies even for 1♠ followed by 3♠.
Not every hand with 6 spades and 14-15 HCP qualifies for 3♠.
The singleton ♦K and lack of aces suggests rebidding 2♠.

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Posted 2013-August-11, 09:00

The distinction for me is "do I want Sxxx raise with a K on the side?".
No opens 1S; yes opens 1C to rebid 1S over presumed 1D.
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Posted 2013-August-11, 16:05

Another vote here for 1♠ with 3♠ continuation over 1NT.
I'm also okay with the strong club.
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Posted 2013-August-12, 01:33

I don't think it worth a 1♣ opening.

Consider KQJXXX KQX X KJX which is a clear 1♠ opener.
This hand is much worse.
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Posted 2013-August-12, 08:09

1♣. Responses to 1M are heavily reliant on the 11-15 range, and I don't expect to gain by violating that. Downgrading out of 1♣ would take a much worse hand than this.
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Posted 2013-August-12, 08:54

View PostTylerE, on 2013-August-12, 08:09, said:

1♣. Responses to 1M are heavily reliant on the 11-15 range, and I don't expect to gain by violating that. Downgrading out of 1♣ would take a much worse hand than this.


We might lose our game when pd has Ax Axx xxxx xxxx.

Side point that this is posted as a Precision question (using hcps ostensibly) and not a relay question, but folks who use reverse relays and hope to pattern this hand have the additional consideration that this opening hand may be deficient in queen/relay points or controls. For us, 1C doesn't necessarily denote a stronger hand than 1S but one with usually a higher QP total.
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Posted 2013-August-12, 11:30

Yeah, playing MOSCITO I'd have to open 1♥ (showing 10-14 with 4+♠) and not 1♣ (15+HCP) because I lack 9+QP's.
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