[mike777]

What does your 4th seat opening bids of 2d or 2h or 2s look like? Do they change based on mps or imps or vul?

In other words are they weak or intermediate range bids for you?

[TWO4BRIDGE]

Standard is 6+ card suit, opening values ... ie. NOT weak .

[kenrexford]

I like two schemes.

The first is a sound opening bid. Sort of like the hand where you would open 1♥ and then would want to jump to "two and a half hearts."

The second is a distributional structure, where 2♥ or 2♠ shows a light opening (about 10-14) with five of the major and 4+ clubs. If 2♥ is opened, this shows a spade fragment or doubleton, as well, and more like 12-15 if you are a strict cansino count kind of person. Hence, if 3-card spades, 12-14, while if 2-card, then 13-14. Technically 1-card and 14 is OK.

2♦ is optional, but still an intermediate call. One nice option is 5+ spades with 4+ diamonds and the range above. Another is a light major two-suiter.

[Zelandakh]

I think standard is something like 10-14 and a 6 card suit. Popular in the UK are strong 2 bids. Popular on BBF is a range of approximately 14-16. There is also an argument for playing 2♦ strong (Benji, reverse or perhaps even Mexican) and only using 2M for your choice of these.

PS: any votes for a Lee 2♦ in fourth seat (minus the weak 2 in diamonds)?

[awm]

For me they are about 8-12 (weak). The rule is that I don't want to be in game opposite my passed hand partner unless he has a really good fit for my suit.

This avoids a potentially annoying 1M-1NT-2M-2NT sequence and also makes things hard on the opponents on the hands they are most likely to back in.

[nige1]

mike777, on 2014-March-19, 10:21, said:

What does your 4th seat opening bids of 2d or 2h or 2s look like? Do they change based on mps or imps or vul? In other words are they weak or intermediate range bids for you?

IMO In 4th seat,

• 2♦/2♥/2♠ = 10-12 HCP 6 cards.
• 3♣/3♦/3♥/3♠ = Solid suit

[blackshoe]

2M in fourth seat: 10-13 HCP and 6 cards. 2♦ it depends. If I'm playing Mexican, it's Mexican. If I'm playing 2♦ weak, it's similar to the 2M bid. If I'm playing some other convention, it's that unless we've discussed it and decided to play something else (I can't think of anyplace that would apply, but I don't play any of those other conventions - well, I would play 2♦ three suited if I were playing Precision, and that would apply in fourth seat).

[fromageGB]

4th seat pre-empts are very effective, more so than in other seats. The opponents normally keep quiet.

[kenrexford]

fromageGB, on 2014-March-20, 13:25, said:

4th seat pre-empts are very effective, more so than in other seats. The opponents normally keep quiet.

LOL!!!

The opponents usually keep quiet even if you don't preempt, and especially if your non-preempt option is a pass.

[Antrax]

Ha, he's got you there, fromageGB. I can't believe that didn't occur to you when you made your post.

[fromageGB]

Antrax, on 2014-March-20, 22:06, said:

Ha, he's got you there, fromageGB. I can't believe that didn't occur to you when you made your post.

You are of course correct to believe as you do.

[aguahombre]

TWO4BRIDGE, on 2014-March-19, 11:17, said:

Standard is 6+ card suit, opening values ... ie. NOT weak .

awm, on 2014-March-19, 12:08, said:

For me they are about 8-12 (weak). The rule is that I don't want to be in game opposite my passed hand partner unless he has a really good fit for my suit.

This avoids a potentially annoying 1M-1NT-2M-2NT sequence and also makes things hard on the opponents on the hands they are most likely to back in.

I prefer Adam's choice. It even includes the rationale and doesn't let the previous 3 passes force me to change all my opening 1-bid and response structure.